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By Bismarck.Rinako 2010-06-25 21:52:34
Phoenix.Smileybone said: Gilgamesh.Samuraiking said: Phoenix.Smileybone said: You can have a drink of beer without getting drunk. You can smoke cigarettes without getting high. I've never smoked weed but I'm pretty sure it doesn't take more then a few puffs or two to get high. If people can't even handle drinking and driving why should the U.S. government legalize marijuana? So more people can recklessly kill themselves and others?
wow, I understand you not reading all the pages, but you couldn't be bothered to read jaerik's post just a few up?....
I read it. Why does that have anything to do with my post?
His post said something about pot heads not being 'dangerous' or whatever; thats why it's in relation to your post.
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By Phoenix.Smileybone 2010-06-25 21:54:26
Bismarck.Rinako said: Phoenix.Smileybone said: Gilgamesh.Samuraiking said: Phoenix.Smileybone said: You can have a drink of beer without getting drunk. You can smoke cigarettes without getting high. I've never smoked weed but I'm pretty sure it doesn't take more then a few puffs or two to get high. If people can't even handle drinking and driving why should the U.S. government legalize marijuana? So more people can recklessly kill themselves and others?
wow, I understand you not reading all the pages, but you couldn't be bothered to read jaerik's post just a few up?....
I read it. Why does that have anything to do with my post?
His post said something about pot heads not being 'dangerous' or whatever; thats why it's in relation to your post.
Well that's an opinion, and I guess mine differs.
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By Pandemonium.Spicyryan 2010-06-25 21:58:26
Phoenix.Smileybone said: Well that's an opinion, and I guess mine differs.
Yeah, I got robbed by a pot head, he wanted my food.
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By Fairy.Spence 2010-06-25 22:00:51
I've seen lots of dangerous potheads. Whether or not the pot enhanced or instigated it is up for debate.
Oh, and you can't drive while high! It's still 'Driving while impaired.' It's not as though legalizing it would let people do whatever they please with it
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By Bismarck.Rinako 2010-06-25 22:03:15
Phoenix.Smileybone said: Bismarck.Rinako said: Phoenix.Smileybone said: Gilgamesh.Samuraiking said: Phoenix.Smileybone said: You can have a drink of beer without getting drunk. You can smoke cigarettes without getting high. I've never smoked weed but I'm pretty sure it doesn't take more then a few puffs or two to get high. If people can't even handle drinking and driving why should the U.S. government legalize marijuana? So more people can recklessly kill themselves and others?
wow, I understand you not reading all the pages, but you couldn't be bothered to read jaerik's post just a few up?....
I read it. Why does that have anything to do with my post?
His post said something about pot heads not being 'dangerous' or whatever; thats why it's in relation to your post.
Well that's an opinion, and I guess mine differs.
I know ;x just saying why he said something about your post. I personally don't agree with drugs regardless of the side effects. Drinking to get drunk to the point you can't remember anything is flat out retarded. And smoking, regardless of what it is, makes you unattractive imo and makes you smell. Pot is considered a gateway drug for many people; sure that's 'harmless' but other drugs you could become exposed to aren't harmless.
Really don't care what other people do but I care about people who associate with me irl and I'd prefer to stay away from people who do anything drug related. Drinking, like wine, at a meal and not to get drunk is ok with me too but getting drunk til you're doing stupid ***just aint cute imo.
people will always have a different opinion on matters like this even if pot was legal. My opinion is the drug is illegal regardless of if it's harmless; why on earth would you show the world and openly admit to doing stuff illegally on the internet on your own personal website? ESPECIALLY when your child is involved. Come on now use some common sense. She totally risked a chance at seriously losing her child
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By Gilgamesh.Samuraiking 2010-06-25 22:03:17
Phoenix.Smileybone said: Bismarck.Rinako said: Phoenix.Smileybone said: Gilgamesh.Samuraiking said: Phoenix.Smileybone said: You can have a drink of beer without getting drunk. You can smoke cigarettes without getting high. I've never smoked weed but I'm pretty sure it doesn't take more then a few puffs or two to get high. If people can't even handle drinking and driving why should the U.S. government legalize marijuana? So more people can recklessly kill themselves and others?
wow, I understand you not reading all the pages, but you couldn't be bothered to read jaerik's post just a few up?....
I read it. Why does that have anything to do with my post?
His post said something about pot heads not being 'dangerous' or whatever; thats why it's in relation to your post.
Well that's an opinion, and I guess mine differs.
Probably because you see nothing wrong with alcohol that kills livers and causes thousands of drivers drunk a year to kill ppl in accidents, as well as cigarettes causing lung cancer are fine being legal yet pot that hasn't been proven to do any of those things should be illegal. inb4 runonsentence.
If you want them all illegal, fine. If you want them all legal, fine. If you actually read Jaerik's post which was thought out, you would see that. Wanting one but not the other 2 or vise versa is pretty hypocritical.
If you can't understand that then there's no point in continuing.
EDIT: To clarify before anyone says anything. Idk wtf some ppl are smoking, lacing ur weed with *** lsd, and other drugs does not count as weed. I'm talking just pure weed. I've never had anything impaired while I was high. All it does is relax me.
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By Pandemonium.Spicyryan 2010-06-25 22:03:35
Fairy.Spence said: I've seen lots of dangerous potheads. Whether or not the pot enhanced or instigated it is up for debate.
Oh, and you can't drive while high! It's still 'Driving while impaired.' It's not as though legalizing it would let people do whatever they please with it
Or even see an increase in it. People drive stoned as it is right now, and personally I am more worried about bad drivers (new drivers included), old drivers, and people asleep at the wheel than some guy who got off his couch after a joint to go to Burger King.
Numbers matter, peoples opinions on the danger of things do not, mine included. As long as I or anyone just put out an opinion on a subject like this it matters little compared to the facts of the matter.
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By Lakshmi.Jaerik 2010-06-25 22:04:53
As for the "gateway drug" thing, the logic there is completely flawed.
I guarantee you that nearly 100% of everyone who's ever been addicted to heroin drank alcohol. Ditto for any other hard drug. By comparison, I bet a functionally smaller percentage ever smoked pot.
By that logic, doesn't that mean alcohol is the worst "gateway drug" known to man?
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By Bismarck.Rinako 2010-06-25 22:05:48
Fairy.Spence said: I've seen lots of dangerous potheads. Whether or not the pot enhanced or instigated it is up for debate.
Oh, and you can't drive while high! It's still 'Driving while impaired.' It's not as though legalizing it would let people do whatever they please with it
I've seen my share too. Not everyone mellows out; doesn't even matter if it was drug enhanced/related or not. Aggressive people can still be aggressive.
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By Valefor.Slipispsycho 2010-06-25 22:06:24
Phoenix.Smileybone said: You can have a drink of beer without getting drunk. You can smoke cigarettes without getting high. I've never smoked weed but I'm pretty sure it doesn't take more then a few puffs or two to get high. If people can't even handle drinking and driving why should the U.S. government legalize marijuana? So more people can recklessly kill themselves and others?
Sure your first couple of times, or if you go a really long time without it, it doesn't take much.. But it only takes a couple drags off a cigarette to get dizzy, even nauseated, and it only takes a couple shots of liquor to get an inebriated state if you've never used them or haven't used them in a long time... So that whole argument is pretty much invalid, seeing as how it weed doesn't differ from cigs/alcohol like you're assuming it does.
In my heavy days of smoking (I.E. doing it all the time, like one would drink or smoke cigarettes, not in excess, but not sporadic use) It would take well more then a couple of hits to get me high.. A couple of joints, a few bowls (to myself)
As for the latter part... Pot heads don't generally want to get up and go anywhere when they're high, the legality does play a part into it, but the simple fact is that most weed makes you lazy (there are two different 'types' Indica and Sativa.. Indica is the type most people think of when they think weed, it makes you lazy, groggy, sleepy, etc.. Sativa on the other hand is a very clear headed high that makes you energetic..) There's also the fact that moving around/being active 'destroys' the high, as in it lessens a good ammount (not everyone is prone to this, but just about everyone I've ever smoked with had this same thing) So there's even less motivation to 'go out and recklessly kill people'.
Then there's what Jaerik already pointed out, in comparison to someone on alcohol, people under the influence of weed are more in control of themselves, granted you're still impaired and driving under the influence of weed still isn't as safe as driving sober, but it is safer in comparison.. Then let's compare the lives destroyed VIA some idiot who decided to get behind the wheel VS the lives destroyed because it's still illegal (weed isn't going to go away and as long as it's illegal, criminals will still do WHATEVER it takes to get it here, if that means killing people in the process, then that's what will happen.)
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By Carbuncle.Snoochybooch 2010-06-25 22:06:51
This thread needs moar!
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By Bismarck.Rinako 2010-06-25 22:08:25
@Jaerik -- Alcohol and Cigs are also raises the chance of trying other drugs yes; but since pot is illegal it's considered the "gateway" to other illegal drugs.
Yes flawed logic but logic nonetheless
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By Phoenix.Smileybone 2010-06-25 22:09:25
Gilgamesh.Samuraiking said: Phoenix.Smileybone said: Bismarck.Rinako said: Phoenix.Smileybone said: Gilgamesh.Samuraiking said: Phoenix.Smileybone said: You can have a drink of beer without getting drunk. You can smoke cigarettes without getting high. I've never smoked weed but I'm pretty sure it doesn't take more then a few puffs or two to get high. If people can't even handle drinking and driving why should the U.S. government legalize marijuana? So more people can recklessly kill themselves and others?
wow, I understand you not reading all the pages, but you couldn't be bothered to read jaerik's post just a few up?....
I read it. Why does that have anything to do with my post?
His post said something about pot heads not being 'dangerous' or whatever; thats why it's in relation to your post.
Well that's an opinion, and I guess mine differs.
Probably because you see nothing wrong with alcohol that kills livers and causes thousands of drivers drunk a year to kill ppl in accidents, as well as cigarettes causing lung cancer are fine being legal yet pot that hasn't been proven to do any of those things should be illegal. inb4 runonsentence.
If you want them all illegal, fine. If you want them all legal, fine. If you actually read Jaerik's post which was thought out, you would see that. Wanting one but not the other 2 or vise versa is pretty hypocritical.
If you can't understand that then there's no point in continuing.
I don't agree with your opinion so I'm retarded? Good one!
Blatantly putting words in my mouth? Cool!
I don't drink. I don't smoke. I was simply arguing that because people already abuse the vices we already have, I don't think it would be a good idea to legalize more. Furthermore alcohol won't ruin you're liver unless you're constantly drinking aka an alcoholic. Also, I do think cigarettes should be illegal. They do nothing but harm people in health and financial ways.
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By Pandemonium.Spicyryan 2010-06-25 22:11:26
Phoenix.Smileybone said: Gilgamesh.Samuraiking said: Phoenix.Smileybone said: Bismarck.Rinako said: Phoenix.Smileybone said: Gilgamesh.Samuraiking said: Phoenix.Smileybone said: You can have a drink of beer without getting drunk. You can smoke cigarettes without getting high. I've never smoked weed but I'm pretty sure it doesn't take more then a few puffs or two to get high. If people can't even handle drinking and driving why should the U.S. government legalize marijuana? So more people can recklessly kill themselves and others?
wow, I understand you not reading all the pages, but you couldn't be bothered to read jaerik's post just a few up?....
I read it. Why does that have anything to do with my post?
His post said something about pot heads not being 'dangerous' or whatever; thats why it's in relation to your post.
Well that's an opinion, and I guess mine differs.
Probably because you see nothing wrong with alcohol that kills livers and causes thousands of drivers drunk a year to kill ppl in accidents, as well as cigarettes causing lung cancer are fine being legal yet pot that hasn't been proven to do any of those things should be illegal. inb4 runonsentence.
If you want them all illegal, fine. If you want them all legal, fine. If you actually read Jaerik's post which was thought out, you would see that. Wanting one but not the other 2 or vise versa is pretty hypocritical.
If you can't understand that then there's no point in continuing.
I don't agree with your opinion so I'm retarded? Good one!
Blatantly putting words in my mouth? Cool!
I don't drink. I don't smoke. I was simply arguing that because people already abuse the vices we already have, I don't think it would be a good idea to legalize more. Furthermore alcohol won't ruin you're liver unless you're constantly drinking aka an alcoholic. Furthermore, I do think cigarettes should be illegal. They do nothing but harm people in health and financial ways.
There is where you are wrong, look up how drug use went down in Portugal after it was decriminalized in small amounts.
Edit: And what gives anyone the right to say no one can use what they want on their body? People are not stupid they know it is not like eating some fruit and taking a 20 minute walk.
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By Asura.Bartimaeus 2010-06-25 22:12:47
Phoenix.Smileybone said: I don't drink. I don't smoke. I was simply arguing that because people already abuse the vices we already have, I don't think it would be a good idea to legalize more. Furthermore alcohol won't ruin you're liver unless you're constantly drinking aka an alcoholic. Furthermore, I do think cigarettes should be illegal. They do nothing but harm people in health and financial ways.
You can get pot either way. The whole idea behind drug decriminalization is to regulate the industry (drug smuggling), provide a further way of making money (taxing said items), and helping people with addictions recieve treatment instead of throwing them in jail.
My point is, it's READILY available already for abuse. Keeping it illegal hasn't changed that at all.
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By Bismarck.Rinako 2010-06-25 22:13:32
Age 21 logic!
"Drinking is not as fun once you hit 21"
Will prolly end up being:
"Smoking is not as fun now that it's legal!"
Edit: And making it legal will just make people have to pay taxes on it cause they'll start selling it in stores~ lulz
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By Carbuncle.Sevourn 2010-06-25 22:17:42
Lakshmi.Jaerik said: Unless someone can prove that marijuana is more dangerous or more harmful to human physiology than cigarettes or alcohol, I say legalize it and STFU.
Why do we make drugs illegal? As far as I'm concerned, you can shoot yourself up with an overdose of heroin and die for all I care. Your body, your choice. You can also go jump off a bridge, if that's what you really wanna do. We don't make drugs illegal because the substance itself harms people, or we'd have banned alcohol, tobacco, and caffeine by now as well.
We make them illegal because the harder drugs like crack, heroin, PCP, etc, causes them to perform actions that endanger others. Violence, aggression, hallucinations, etc. It leads to chemical dependence, which leads to crime as people mug, rob, or burgle others to get the scratch together to get another rock. It causes serious strains on the medical system. It isn't about them at that point, so the public has a vested interest in controlling it.
I have never met a violent pothead. Have you? Ever known of someone who's overdosed on pot? (Hint: you can't.) The only way they've been able to kill a lab rat with marijuana is by dropping a 20lb brick of it on its head.
What's the worse thing reported in those studies? A slightly elevated risk of schizophrenia? Big friggin' whoop. In exchange for saving a few people from a "slightly elevated risk of schizophrenia" we're okay with a drug war that costs hundreds of billions per year and has gotten over 6,000 people murdered just in the past year. I was especially fond of the pot smugglers that draw-and-quartered the Tijuana police chief a couple years ago. Was a nice touch when they left his severed head on his wife's doorstep. But hey, totally worth it, right?
My grandmother drank herself to death over 20 years. Destroyed her liver, got another on the public dime, destroyed that one, then died of alcohol intoxication after downing a straight quart of screw-top grocery store vodka. (They didn't even have to drop 20lbs of it on her head.) Nobody cared. Her body, her choice, right? Alcohol's legal, and nobody argues it shouldn't be, 'cuz we saw what happened when we tried last time.
Even though I don't smoke, I have a real hard time listening to people lecture others on pot use while sitting there holding a Guinness. You are many times more likely to stagger out of there drunk, (without realizing you're drunk), get behind the wheel and kill someone, than any pothead I've ever known. Most potheads I know can be stoned out of their mind and still 10x more cognizant, aware, and less likely to hurt someone than just about anyone I know after two martinis.
Don't even get me started on cigarettes. 160,000 people dying every year from lung cancer and other smoking-related complications, dragging down our medical system and making the rest of us pay for it, and you want to sit there hand-wringing that marijuana use is dangerous because it has a tenuous connection to benign short-term memory loss? Give me a ***' break.
Legalize pot, or try banning tobacco and alcohol again. It's the only way to be internally consistent.
i'd be interested to see how you feel about steroids
that's a discussion i'd be interested in having
while i imagine you hold a pretty informed view of the issue
i do wonder how many of the marijuana legalization crowd would climb right back up on their soapboxes and regurgitate propaganda when steroids enter the discussion
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By Gilgamesh.Samuraiking 2010-06-25 22:17:56
Phoenix.Smileybone said: Gilgamesh.Samuraiking said: Phoenix.Smileybone said: Bismarck.Rinako said: Phoenix.Smileybone said: Gilgamesh.Samuraiking said: Phoenix.Smileybone said: You can have a drink of beer without getting drunk. You can smoke cigarettes without getting high. I've never smoked weed but I'm pretty sure it doesn't take more then a few puffs or two to get high. If people can't even handle drinking and driving why should the U.S. government legalize marijuana? So more people can recklessly kill themselves and others?
wow, I understand you not reading all the pages, but you couldn't be bothered to read jaerik's post just a few up?....
I read it. Why does that have anything to do with my post?
His post said something about pot heads not being 'dangerous' or whatever; thats why it's in relation to your post.
Well that's an opinion, and I guess mine differs.
Probably because you see nothing wrong with alcohol that kills livers and causes thousands of drivers drunk a year to kill ppl in accidents, as well as cigarettes causing lung cancer are fine being legal yet pot that hasn't been proven to do any of those things should be illegal. inb4 runonsentence.
If you want them all illegal, fine. If you want them all legal, fine. If you actually read Jaerik's post which was thought out, you would see that. Wanting one but not the other 2 or vise versa is pretty hypocritical.
If you can't understand that then there's no point in continuing.
I don't agree with your opinion so I'm retarded? Good one!
Blatantly putting words in my mouth? Cool!
I don't drink. I don't smoke. I was simply arguing that because people already abuse the vices we already have, I don't think it would be a good idea to legalize more. Furthermore alcohol won't ruin you're liver unless you're constantly drinking aka an alcoholic. Furthermore, I do think cigarettes should be illegal. They do nothing but harm people in health and financial ways.
Same can be said for alcohol, it's quite pricey. If you drink too much it leads to liver damage, blacking out, hang-overs and while this may be a stretch, sleeping with women who could give you STDS. You can say weed alters ur mind if you want, but we all KNOW alcohol can *** ur ***straight up.
You also can't judge my moderation either. That's up to the person, so you have to go by an average/general number, which isn't "just a beer or two". Right off most alcohol tastes like ***, it's safe to say ppl don't drink it cause it tastes good and in moderation. Granted that's an opinion but come on.
That being said, what happens if someone smokes too much weed? They get hungry and lay on the bed/couch for hours, most likely falling asleep. Once again tho, idk what kinda crazy ***you think ppl put in weed, but some do lace it with other kind of drugs and this can not be counted as just "weed". I'm simply talking about pure weed.
Never put any words in your mouth I was telling you what you seemed like. You never made a clear statement, all you said was weed shouldn't be legal, and didn't make a stance on the other 2. What I said goes for other ppl in the thread too not just you.
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By Phoenix.Smileybone 2010-06-25 22:21:52
Asura.Bartimaeus said: Phoenix.Smileybone said: I don't drink. I don't smoke. I was simply arguing that because people already abuse the vices we already have, I don't think it would be a good idea to legalize more. Furthermore alcohol won't ruin you're liver unless you're constantly drinking aka an alcoholic. Furthermore, I do think cigarettes should be illegal. They do nothing but harm people in health and financial ways.
You can get pot either way. The whole idea behind drug decriminalization is to regulate the industry (drug smuggling), provide a further way of making money, and helping people with addictions recieve treatment instead of throwing them in jail.
My point is, it's READILY available already for abuse. Keeping it illegal hasn't changed that at all.
I understand the whole concept and I can see how it could work... but in the same way I think it could backfire and just end having more people abuse the drug. Also, if you legalize marijuana, who's to say we wont legalize cocaine in 20 or 50 years? If it works like you say it is, then all the angsty teenagers are gonna just move on to the next illegal drug.
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By Fairy.Spence 2010-06-25 22:23:23
We need soma!
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By Pandemonium.Spicyryan 2010-06-25 22:23:54
Phoenix.Smileybone said: Asura.Bartimaeus said: Phoenix.Smileybone said: I don't drink. I don't smoke. I was simply arguing that because people already abuse the vices we already have, I don't think it would be a good idea to legalize more. Furthermore alcohol won't ruin you're liver unless you're constantly drinking aka an alcoholic. Furthermore, I do think cigarettes should be illegal. They do nothing but harm people in health and financial ways.
You can get pot either way. The whole idea behind drug decriminalization is to regulate the industry (drug smuggling), provide a further way of making money, and helping people with addictions recieve treatment instead of throwing them in jail.
My point is, it's READILY available already for abuse. Keeping it illegal hasn't changed that at all.
I understand the whole concept and I can see how it could work... but in the same way I think it could backfire and just end having more people abuse the drug. Also, if you legalize marijuana, who's to say we wont legalize cocaine in 20 or 50 years? If it works like you say it is, then all the angsty teenagers are gonna just move on to the next illegal drug.
Legalize everything, then we can stop the oppression on our civil liberties :D
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By Lakshmi.Jaerik 2010-06-25 22:25:16
Every country that has legalized pot has seen a DROP in it's use. Less people smoke pot in Amsterdam than do in the US. All evidence points to there being no increase in abuse with legalization.
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By Gilgamesh.Samuraiking 2010-06-25 22:25:16
Fairy.Spence said: We need soma!
I hate your *** fingers! I hate seeing them on your face! I hate your avatar! GOD!
Also, I demand you post at least 3 sentence in your next post. You haven't said more than one sentence per post this entire time. >_>
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By Asura.Bartimaeus 2010-06-25 22:25:36
Phoenix.Smileybone said: Asura.Bartimaeus said: Phoenix.Smileybone said: I don't drink. I don't smoke. I was simply arguing that because people already abuse the vices we already have, I don't think it would be a good idea to legalize more. Furthermore alcohol won't ruin you're liver unless you're constantly drinking aka an alcoholic. Furthermore, I do think cigarettes should be illegal. They do nothing but harm people in health and financial ways.
You can get pot either way. The whole idea behind drug decriminalization is to regulate the industry (drug smuggling), provide a further way of making money, and helping people with addictions recieve treatment instead of throwing them in jail.
My point is, it's READILY available already for abuse. Keeping it illegal hasn't changed that at all.
I understand the whole concept and I can see how it could work... but in the same way I think it could backfire and just end having more people abuse the drug. Also, if you legalize marijuana, who's to say we wont legalize cocaine in 20 or 50 years? If it works like you say it is, then all the angsty teenagers are gonna just move on to the next illegal drug.
I'm far less convinced, I guess, on the decriminalization of harder drugs. I understand your point in saying "well where does it end?"..
I still think it would be BETTER though, because like I said:
We need to start treating people, not jailing them. They manage to get drugs in jail anyway, get out, continue using.
But you know, I'd prefer (under decriminalization) that if the Government regulated the industry and taxed people for use, that our money go there to possibly help build bridges and roads.
Course, we can keep funding the warchest for South American drug cartels to finance their bloody war in Mexico. That's ok too I guess. lol
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By Carbuncle.Sevourn 2010-06-25 22:26:00
Fairy.Spence said: We need soma!
it makes me sad but i think that the brave new world would go over pretty well in today's society
i was at the gym, and a couple of high school students were talking about it in the locker room because they had to read it in class
they liked the picture painted and thought the noble savage was "dumb" ;_;
i worry about the government the next generation will elect
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By Asura.Bartimaeus 2010-06-25 22:28:10
Carbuncle.Sevourn said: i worry about the government the next generation will elect
Alvin Green for PRESIDENT!!!!!!!!!!!!
/runs away
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By Bismarck.Rinako 2010-06-25 22:28:51
Phoenix.Smileybone said: Asura.Bartimaeus said: Phoenix.Smileybone said: I don't drink. I don't smoke. I was simply arguing that because people already abuse the vices we already have, I don't think it would be a good idea to legalize more. Furthermore alcohol won't ruin you're liver unless you're constantly drinking aka an alcoholic. Furthermore, I do think cigarettes should be illegal. They do nothing but harm people in health and financial ways.
You can get pot either way. The whole idea behind drug decriminalization is to regulate the industry (drug smuggling), provide a further way of making money, and helping people with addictions recieve treatment instead of throwing them in jail.
My point is, it's READILY available already for abuse. Keeping it illegal hasn't changed that at all.
I understand the whole concept and I can see how it could work... but in the same way I think it could backfire and just end having more people abuse the drug. Also, if you legalize marijuana, who's to say we wont legalize cocaine in 20 or 50 years? If it works like you say it is, then all the angsty teenagers are gonna just move on to the next illegal drug.
If they wanna move onto more hardcore and risk ODing let em. We need less retards in this world anyway.
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By Gilgamesh.Samuraiking 2010-06-25 22:30:45
Asura.Bartimaeus said: Phoenix.Smileybone said: Asura.Bartimaeus said: Phoenix.Smileybone said: I don't drink. I don't smoke. I was simply arguing that because people already abuse the vices we already have, I don't think it would be a good idea to legalize more. Furthermore alcohol won't ruin you're liver unless you're constantly drinking aka an alcoholic. Furthermore, I do think cigarettes should be illegal. They do nothing but harm people in health and financial ways.
You can get pot either way. The whole idea behind drug decriminalization is to regulate the industry (drug smuggling), provide a further way of making money, and helping people with addictions recieve treatment instead of throwing them in jail.
My point is, it's READILY available already for abuse. Keeping it illegal hasn't changed that at all.
I understand the whole concept and I can see how it could work... but in the same way I think it could backfire and just end having more people abuse the drug. Also, if you legalize marijuana, who's to say we wont legalize cocaine in 20 or 50 years? If it works like you say it is, then all the angsty teenagers are gonna just move on to the next illegal drug.
I'm far less convinced, I guess, on the decriminalization of harder drugs. I understand your point in saying "well where does it end?"..
I still think it would be BETTER though, because like I said:
We need to start treating people, not jailing them. They manage to get drugs in jail anyway, get out, continue using.
But you know, I'd prefer (under decriminalization) that if the Government regulated the industry and taxed people for use, that our money go there to possibly help build bridges and roads.
Course, we can keep funding the warchest for South American drug cartels to finance their bloody war in Mexico. That's ok too I guess. lol
A good portion of the drug dealers are from gangs or some other form of crime related people. This is their biggest income, drugs. Making all drugs legal and marketing them would cut down on crime without a doubt.
The money being used to build ***we need among building extra rehab centers would be a great idea.
People seem to be under the impression anarchy occurs when drugs are legal. A lot of ppl don't do drugs because they don't want to, not because they are illegal, and a lot of ppl only do them because they are illegal. When it stops becoming *** "cool" to smoke pot, it will be used medicinally more widely for even more purposes.
Some of the legal prescriptions these days are almost as bad as drugs. And as or more addictive. It's not hard to get anti-depressants these days, doctors hand that ***out like candy.
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By Fairy.Spence 2010-06-25 22:30:46
Gilgamesh.Samuraiking said: Fairy.Spence said: We need soma!
I hate your *** fingers! I hate seeing them on your face! I hate your avatar! GOD!
Also, I demand you post at least 3 sentence in your next post. You haven't said more than one sentence per post this entire time. >_>
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By Carbuncle.Sevourn 2010-06-25 22:32:03
Asura.Bartimaeus said: Carbuncle.Sevourn said: i worry about the government the next generation will elect
Alvin Green for PRESIDENT!!!!!!!!!!!!
/runs away
gettin' my SC citizenship so i can go down and vote for him
feels good man
real... next-gen
I couldn't give a crap whether people want to smoke any type of drug, it is their life to do with as they please.... but what is happening in this photo is just wrong in so many ways!
If you want to take drugs, do so away from your kids and don't take 'joke' photos of your baby with a bong!
I hope the stupid mother who took this photo is going to be closely supervised from now on as her parenting skills are obviously below par.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1289478/Mother-posts-Facebook-photo-11-month-old-bong-smoking-baby.html
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