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 Bahamut.Serj
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By Bahamut.Serj 2011-02-27 17:32:14
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Cerberus.Eugene said:
I have been slain by the anonymous unlinked account rapier sharp logic of you two. Unfortunately you weren't wearing your thf knife, armlets or shoes and forgot your atma.

On the bright side you still got a wind cluster.

orly?
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2011-02-27 17:32:53
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welcome to the party
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By Serj 2011-02-27 17:32:54
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Bahamut.Serj said:
Cerberus.Eugene said:
I have been slain by the anonymous unlinked account rapier sharp logic of you two. Unfortunately you weren't wearing your thf knife, armlets or shoes and forgot your atma.

On the bright side you still got a wind cluster.

orly?

Yea, bro. rly
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By Serj 2011-02-27 17:33:20
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Cerberus.Eugene said:
welcome to the party

Now we're just being silly.
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-02-27 17:34:12
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Cerberus.Eugene said:
I have been slain by the anonymous unlinked account rapier sharp logic of you two. .
Bahamut.Dasva... orly?
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2011-02-27 17:34:37
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Bahamut.Dasva said:
Cerberus.Eugene said:
I have been slain by the anonymous unlinked account rapier sharp logic of you two. .
Bahamut.Dasva... orly?
Yeah you are super anonymous broseph
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By dasva 2011-02-27 17:34:57
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Ramuh.Dasva said:
Bahamut.Dasva said:
Cerberus.Eugene said:
I have been slain by the anonymous unlinked account rapier sharp logic of you two. .
Bahamut.Dasva... orly?
Yeah you are super anonymous broseph
But not as much as me!!!
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2011-02-27 17:36:09
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Your account is the bastion of all information that could be gathered on your character.
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-02-27 17:36:27
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Bahamut.Dasva said:
Cerberus.Eugene said:
I have been slain by the anonymous unlinked account rapier sharp logic of you two. .
Bahamut.Dasva... orly?

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By Bahamut.Serj 2011-02-27 17:36:29
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dasva said:
Ramuh.Dasva said:
Bahamut.Dasva said:
Cerberus.Eugene said:
I have been slain by the anonymous unlinked account rapier sharp logic of you two. .
Bahamut.Dasva... orly?
Yeah you are super anonymous broseph
But not as much as me!!!

Now I'm jelly that I only have 2 /sadface
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2011-02-27 17:38:15
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I'm sad that this much activity in the cerb forum attracted but one old account from hades.
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-02-27 17:38:18
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Bahamut.Serj said:
dasva said:
Ramuh.Dasva said:
Bahamut.Dasva said:
Cerberus.Eugene said:
I have been slain by the anonymous unlinked account rapier sharp logic of you two. .
Bahamut.Dasva... orly?
Yeah you are super anonymous broseph
But not as much as me!!!
Now I'm jelly that I only have 2 /sadface
Actually think I'll make my 4th now. It's a shame I didn't use ffxiah back when I was on lakshmi. All same account though
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2011-02-27 17:38:39
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It is full of fail though so i guess I shouldn't be surprised.
 
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2011-02-27 17:39:52
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2011-02-27 17:46:14
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Bismarck.Josiahfk said:
Cerberus.Eugene said:
It can also lead to false claims. TH works on lizards. Therefore TH works on all things. Same mistake all money I see is green. Therefore all money is green.
Saying "treasure hunter works on lizards" is like saying "Resist gravity on thf doesn't work against flan"
It's a plain ignorant claim not based on logic at all. No monster in this game can remove job traits from ceasing to exist. You're exaggerating their usefulness or lack thereof into the realm of them not existing again

1) there are monsters (and at the very least drops) that TH most certainly does not affect. In particular drops that have set drop rates. I'm sure there must be something else in game that has a variable drop rate in game that isn't affected by th, but i don't acre enough to prove it.

2) making a claim that th affects lizard eggs, therefore th affects all drops is a terrible use of logic in the first place. It violates argument by example at several levels. and is just plain wrong. see 1)

3)the claim that you have some insight into how traits work more than a vague guess is a claim you cannot hope to prove.

4)the claim that all job traits work the same is simply wrong.
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-02-27 17:47:55
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Btw subtle blow doesn't work cause I see mobs still using tps all the times.

Accuracy bonus doesn't work cause I still miss alot sometimes.

And of course none of the resist traits do
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2011-02-27 17:49:05
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oh and if you were assuming i was specifically using lizards as an example at a exclusion to all other mobs, you misunderstood. i was separating lizards drop pools, from nm drop pools, from hnm drop pools. i think this is a fair thing to do.
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By Serj 2011-02-27 17:50:02
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Cerberus.Eugene said:
oh and if you were assuming i was specifically using lizards as an example at a exclusion to all other mobs, you misunderstood. i was separating lizards drop pools, from nm drop pools, from hnm drop pools. i think this is a fair thing to do.

NO U
 
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2011-02-27 17:51:28
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No, more along the lines that MAB bonus is a single number bonus to dmg (proven), while resist traits both can provide outright resistance, as well as shortened duration of the buff(assumed). These two traits are clearly not operating in the exact same manner.
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2011-02-27 17:52:03
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Cerberus.Eugene said:
Fair enough, perhaps I was a little strong on that claim. TH in any circumstance where it would matter matters so little that THF as a class doesn't matter.

2% increase in a drop rate means a whole lot when you have to kill 50 more dragons to get gaiters.

I'll further that by saying when you show me a test that statically proves that a nm of loot worthy caliber I'll perhaps let up even more on my claim.
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-02-27 17:53:52
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Cerberus.Eugene said:
No, more along the lines that MAB bonus is a single number bonus to dmg (proven), while resist traits both can provide outright resistance, as well as shortened duration of the buff(assumed). These two traits are clearly not operating in the exact same manner.
Actually it's pretty obvious that they provide resistance. Duration only in the form of half/quarter resist very easy to prove
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2011-02-27 17:57:34
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There's very few mechanics in this game that are debuffs thats have an exact duration that can be halfed/quartered to the point where the accuracy of the trait is no longer called into question. .5/.75 are useful estimates, but it could be 20/60. My point wasn't to show that resistance theory is wrong, rather its imprecise. So to claim such strong claims about other traits that could be unreliable as well is not going to win me over.


In any event, the point of all this is if you claim that TH works the same way on lizards as it does on hnms, there is a problem.

While there may be evidence that is useful if your farming lizard eggs on the ah, its decidedly less useful on mobs that matter.
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2011-02-27 18:04:51
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Anyway enjoy the oscars folks, was a good laugh.
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-02-27 18:07:41
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Cerberus.Eugene said:
There's very few mechanics in this game that are debuffs thats have an exact duration that can be halfed/quartered to the point where the accuracy of the trait is no longer called into question. .5/.75 are useful estimates, but it could be 20/60. My point wasn't to show that resistance theory is wrong, rather its imprecise. So to claim such strong claims about other traits that could be unreliable as well.
Slow/slow2, sleep(ga) 1/2. Poison 1/2.

All will always been full 1/2 or 1/4 (where applicable) duration. Every single time.
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2011-02-27 18:15:31
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And I've casted gravity only to have it land for 2 seconds and wear. If you claim that the upper end of the cast duration was also reduced, well maybe it is always reduced .5/.25. But that still a difference from how the spell works from sleep/sleep2/sleepga. So again differences in how the game handles different spells, making blanket statements are bad. Always a counter point in this game lol.

Anyway cheers.
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-02-27 18:17:42
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Your logic is so horribly flawed its rediculous
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By Raborn 2011-02-27 19:24:01
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Why do ppl have to be so mean all the time? I had a guy the other day tell me "If you are a THF and don't equip for TH 100% of the time then GTFO". Why not just say can you please keep your TH equiped durring this party even though it is not a factor and will not help with what we are doing? I just don't understand why ppl have to be Jerks all the time. Are there any nice ppl left out there?
There's a social nice and a moral nice.
Most people on the internet have too many different social codes to bother with being their version of "nice."

I have to admit after playing FFXI for around 9 something years (ish) my online social and moral codes have slipped down the shitter.
Too many *** and if you waste your time being nice and "playing by everyone else's book" you are wasting your time.
I've found it much easier to have my own codes that I follow and I don't bother to question other peoples. I say what I want to say or do what I want to do trying to keep other peoples feeling and my own in mind. And if a *** throws a lemon at me I occassionally put that juice in a squirt gun and put it back in their eye.
Noone wins, but at least they think twice before *** up my day.
It's a shame I've had to go on a system like that but greed gets the best of us and this "taking turns" system doesn't exist on the internet.
Look up a tale called the Ring of Gyges. Simply Amazing.
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