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Victory smite build
 Lakshmi.Dobbykk
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By Lakshmi.Dobbykk 2011-06-03 16:19:11
Lakshmi.Odude said: I'm trying to sneak in a little more optimization for my Victory Smite builds. I've read pretty much everything in this thread - including the lawlRelic vs Empy pages - but what I'm still trying to wrap my head around is the Anwig Salade. I noticed back on page 2 or 3 there were comments on STR, WS Acc and I thought WS DMG augments being the best for all our damage. I get the STR and the WS Accuracy options, but the WS DMG+2% isn't adding up for me. Here's what I currently use for Victory Smite. The only upgrade I've been looking for was Beir Belt +1, (Which is of course in stock while I'm at freak'n work!!!) but I've been pretty happy with my WS numbers. But I'm not seeing Anwig Salade as the item that pushes me further. What am I missing that a number of people believe 2% extra damage out performs direct WS modifiers? I thought maybe WS DMG+2% and Crit DMG+2% may be useful, but would that out perform the straight STR+8? Main problem I see with this is Rajas is on the wrong finger.
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By Unicorn.Greever 2011-06-03 16:58:07
ok thanks
By failffxi 2011-06-04 07:42:46
This is my setup so far, Which i am happy with. Should it be changed?
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By Ifrit.Darkanaseur 2011-06-04 10:27:01
Thew in ammo slot, Tantra is okay if you don't need the attack, swap kemas for aesir/attack or higher STR if attack is capped, black belt or better for WS, unless you need the accuracy. Ire torque (+1) for neck (again with accuracy). Tantra body if you have it.
By Blazed1979 2011-06-04 19:10:35
Ire torque/Ire torque+1 beat sea gorgets?
since when?
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By Phoenix.Uzugami 2011-06-04 19:19:32
Blazed1979 said: Ire torque/Ire torque+1 beat sea gorgets?
since when?
If you don't need the 13/14 acc from gorgets was posted somewhere in thread torque wins out :<
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By Shiva.Alistrianna 2011-06-04 19:26:25
Blazed1979 said: Ire torque/Ire torque+1 beat sea gorgets?
since when?
Has something to do with math stuff that I don't remember. I think it was that the STR applies to all of the WS hits and provides more damage potential as long as accuracy isn't an issue. The gorget fTP multiplier only applies to the first hit of the WS.
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By Odin.Hitoseijuro 2011-06-05 04:23:03
Blazed1979 said: Ire torque/Ire torque+1 beat sea gorgets? since when? having a high ftp means it gains a small boost from the .1 ftp increase, adding in DA/TA hits and the ftp average goes higher, diminishing gorget while accuracy is capped.
By Blazed1979 2011-06-05 06:01:54
I guess inside Abyssea I will try it out. Outside Abyssea, lol... Acc has become a Major issue. 3-7% tp return on smites vs those new NMs in Dynamis Xarc that drop the Archduke pop items. Also, highest Uko's furry I have seen on those things is a meager 1.4k. Highest CDC 890, Highest Smite 1040 with Madrigal and Minuet up.
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By Odin.Hitoseijuro 2011-06-05 06:08:21
Blazed1979 said: I guess inside Abyssea I will try it out. Outside Abyssea, lol... Acc has become a Major issue. 3-7% tp return on smites vs those new NMs in Dynamis Xarc that drop the Archduke pop items. Also, highest Uko's furry I have seen on those things is a meager 1.4k. Highest CDC 890, Highest Smite 1040 with Madrigal and Minuet up. Yep, gorget+anguinus belt should prove to be a very good combo for outside beefy content.
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By Ifrit.Darkanaseur 2011-06-05 06:09:48
Pretty much what Hito said, gorgets add a static .10, the higher your ftp the lower this increase is. Given it's the same for WSC, but the modifier is high, as is alpha nowadays. Also, it's 10 acc, not 14. Basically if acc is capped, WSC>ftp+
By Blazed1979 2011-06-05 06:46:23
looks like I shouldn't have tossed my Tantra Tathlum.
at least the torque can be bought on AH.
and glad I kept anguinus belt.
my set should look like this for next xarc run.
Keep Vigi+1 or change to cucha or retain atheling?
EDIT: Smok, formerly known as Hmok, swears by h2h skill > all.
He smites in tokon hachimaki/+2 hands/faith torque. I would brush off such advice normally, but he does pull some insane smites and has been a mnk for the past decade.
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By Leviathan.Pimpchan 2011-06-05 07:20:33
Your set looks like ***. Byakko haidaite are the ultimate crap for WS. Kemas is for losers. Vigilance too. Anguinus too. Ample gloves too.
Cerberus mantle +1 / str3/4 earring / str 7 ring in place of rajas / black belt at least/ vast choice of good str gloves.
What's the ***with byakko haidaite on WS?
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By Odin.Hitoseijuro 2011-06-05 07:28:30
Blazed1979 said: swears by h2h skill > all. He smites in tokon hachimaki/+2 hands/faith torque. I would brush off such advice normally, but he does pull some insane smites and has been a mnk for the past decade. Honestly if you're hurting in acc on ws, you can swap out heafoc mitts for either Bandos or tantra+2 gloves, those should beat out ample gloves imo.
Id probably keep atheling over Vig+1 as its not enough str to over take 20 att 3DA. Maybe if the 5dex was kicking in for crits, but I doubt it on most sturdy hard mobs.
I have my doubts about byakkos beating hachiryu imo outside of ddex situations.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-06-05 07:29:22
Leviathan.Pimpchan said: Your set looks like ***. Byakko haidaite are the ultimate crap for WS. Kemas is for losers. Vigilance too. Anguinus too. Ample gloves too.
Cerberus mantle +1 / str3/4 earring / str 7 ring in place of rajas / black belt at least/ vast choice of good str gloves.
What's the ***with byakko haidaite on WS?
It's probably augmented.
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By Sylph.Krsone 2011-06-05 08:21:49
Leviathan.Pimpchan said: Your set looks like ***. Byakko haidaite are the ultimate crap for WS. Kemas is for losers. Vigilance too. Anguinus too. Ample gloves too. Cerberus mantle +1 / str3/4 earring / str 7 ring in place of rajas / black belt at least/ vast choice of good str gloves. What's the ***with byakko haidaite on WS?
Y so angry always? Everytime I read one of your posts I read it with voice of the French soldier in Monty Python and the Holy Grail.
"French Soldier: You don't frighten us, English pig dogs. Go and boil your bottoms, you sons of a silly person. I blow my nose at you, so-called "Arthur King," you and all your silly English K-nig-hts"
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By Ramuh.Krizz 2011-06-05 09:19:53
Keep it civil, people.
By Blazed1979 2011-06-05 10:36:03
Leviathan.Pimpchan said: Your set looks like ***. Byakko haidaite are the ultimate crap for WS. Kemas is for losers. Vigilance too. Anguinus too. Ample gloves too.
Cerberus mantle +1 / str3/4 earring / str 7 ring in place of rajas / black belt at least/ vast choice of good str gloves.
What's the ***with byakko haidaite on WS? loading up on STR inside dynamis Xarc vs the new NMs is going to deliver horrible returns. I already use a hybrid setup, which has more accuracy than what you are suggesting, and I get horrible horrible tp return on the mobs I am referring to. 3-7%. I can't see using any of the gear you suggested as benefiting me one bit vs the stuff I am referring to.
Yes I have full +2, and 8/8 merits. I just don't think you are aware of just how insane the new Archduke placeholders are in Xarc.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2011-06-05 10:43:08
You trying to eat meat? Or you using pizza? pizza for the new ***rly
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By Shiva.Alistrianna 2011-06-05 11:40:31
Blazed1979 said: Smok, formerly known as Hmok, swears by h2h skill > all.
He smites in tokon hachimaki/+2 hands/faith torque. I would brush off such advice normally, but he does pull some insane smites and has been a mnk for the past decade.
Victory Smite is just capable of awesome damage at times. I wouldn't attribute it to Hand-to-Hand skill gear though.
 I did this Smite with just Impetus, Stalwarts and maybe food at the time.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2011-06-05 11:46:09
prolly double attacked and triple attacked w/ full crit
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By Shiva.Alistrianna 2011-06-05 11:51:22
yeah, thats what i assumed
By Blazed1979 2011-06-05 12:19:25
Sylph.Tigerwoods said: You trying to eat meat? Or you using pizza? pizza for the new ***rly sushi. Will use Pizza. But how much difference is it going to make?
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By Odin.Hitoseijuro 2011-06-05 23:30:04
Blazed1979 said: Sylph.Tigerwoods said: You trying to eat meat? Or you using pizza? pizza for the new ***rly sushi. Will use Pizza. But how much difference is it going to make? Probably do pizza and move a few things around and obtain a better overall average w/o sacing too many str/att pieces.
When I can Ill probably go parse the NMs to see how evasive they are and go from there if someone doesnt already.
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By Leviathan.Mdkuser 2011-06-06 03:26:12
Blazed1979 said:
loading up on STR inside dynamis Xarc vs the new NMs is going to deliver horrible returns. I already use a hybrid setup, which has more accuracy than what you are suggesting, and I get horrible horrible tp return on the mobs I am referring to. 3-7%. I can't see using any of the gear you suggested as benefiting me one bit vs the stuff I am referring to.
Yes I have full +2, and 8/8 merits. I just don't think you are aware of just how insane the new Archduke placeholders are in Xarc.
What NMs are you talking about. Archduke palceholder? You mean the poped Nms that drop the arch dynamis lord items? I've fought all them except bard one. Only the dark/thf one has retarded evasion ( sushi+ double madrigals= less than 50% hit rate) the other were easy accuracy wise. If you want accuracy anyway, replace head with a mkd head with +25 acc, eat sushi etc.
By Blazed1979 2011-06-06 04:07:25
Leviathan.Mdkuser said: Blazed1979 said:
loading up on STR inside dynamis Xarc vs the new NMs is going to deliver horrible returns. I already use a hybrid setup, which has more accuracy than what you are suggesting, and I get horrible horrible tp return on the mobs I am referring to. 3-7%. I can't see using any of the gear you suggested as benefiting me one bit vs the stuff I am referring to.
Yes I have full +2, and 8/8 merits. I just don't think you are aware of just how insane the new Archduke placeholders are in Xarc.
What NMs are you talking about. Archduke palceholder? You mean the poped Nms that drop the arch dynamis lord items? I've fought all them except bard one. Only the dark/thf one has retarded evasion ( sushi+ double madrigals= less than 50% hit rate) the other were easy accuracy wise. If you want accuracy anyway, replace head with a mkd head with +25 acc, eat sushi etc.
thanks. But I don't have a BRD slot available in my lowman. Otherwise accuracy wouldn't have been an issue in the first place.
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By Leviathan.Mdkuser 2011-06-06 04:18:15
bard is used for double marches only. Again, pizza (+ MKD head) solves all your accuracy troubles except for the drk/thf NM, on which even a bard will not be of much help.
By Blazed1979 2011-06-06 04:56:40
Leviathan.Mdkuser said: bard is used for double marches only. Again, pizza (+ MKD head) solves all your accuracy troubles except for the drk/thf NM, on which even a bard will not be of much help. yeah I really want the MDK head. Been thinking about buying the add-on just for this head. Was a lil discouraged when other gear came out that outdated my Blitzer Poleyns. Knowing my luck, I'll complete MKD tomorrow and the next day a ws dmg +5% ws acc+10% and crit hit rate+5% head will be released the next day lol.
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By Unicorn.Greever 2011-06-12 12:46:21
since shura haidate can now have +5 str augment (possibly +6 from the +1), would it beat hachiryu as a VS leg piece?
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By Carbuncle.Virtuosus 2011-06-12 13:00:27
Unicorn.Greever said: since shura haidate can now have +5 str augment (possibly +6 from the +1), would it beat hachiryu as a VS leg piece?
Assuming Shura Haidate +1 and +6 STR augmented, it would boil down to 2 STR vs 5 Attack, so it would depend on whether or not attack is capped. If so, than yes, they would be better than Hachiryu.
Ok I am not a mnk main by any stretch of the definition but I do have the 30 advancement coins to finish the +1 weapon once I have finished the nm trials.
This is what I am planning on using as soon as I finish within the next week. My main question is, what gorget should I be using with this weaponskill and is it better than a neck with 5+ str. My other question is with VS being a 4 hit /ws do I really need to concern myself with ACC should I upgrade to hefoc mitts?
Any other constructive help would be appreciated. Thanks.
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