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Victory smite build
 Bahamut.Serj
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By Bahamut.Serj 2011-10-13 23:26:34
I did Dragua the other day, had no issues with just focus/aggressor with no heavy acc build.
I wouldn't say anything in abyssea requires that much acc anymore.
Not saying you need an acc heavy build. Just saying you might not always be capped. 93-94% acc != Capped. Didn't think of parsing Dragua yesterday or I would have. Still negligible in abyssea, considering you might not cap on a small handful of nms by a small amount.
My only knowledge from that would be messing with motenten's spreadsheet back at 90 cap. 5 level and skill probably closes that, with the exception being Indrik and the like.
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 Valefor.Kungg
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By Valefor.Kungg 2011-10-25 01:05:42
Hello again I have returned for more Monk advice :3
I just finished my 85 Vere and was wondering if my newly augmented Shura Kabuto +1 with +5 DEX +6 Att and +2% WSDmg would out preform my Anwig that is augmented with +2% Wsdmg +15 WS Acc STR AGI +4..
any other advice with my Mnk WS sets would be appreciated :)
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By Odin.Hitoseijuro 2011-10-25 01:12:19
Hello again I have returned for more Monk advice :3 I just finished my 85 Vere and was wondering if my newly augmented Shura Kabuto +1 with +5 DEX +6 Att and +2% WSDmg would out preform my Anwig that is augmented with +2% Wsdmg +15 WS Acc STR AGI +4.. any other advice with my Mnk WS sets would be appreciated :) Yes, and I would also suggest you go out of your way to get +3% ws dmg on your kabuto +1 since the HQ has access to that while the nq does not(well...whenever you find the time to reinvest in augs)
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By Valefor.Kungg 2011-10-25 01:25:46
Yeah I'm goin for +3% I went 0/60 tonight on it.. D.tatters are rather cheap on my server so I'll be buying them till I get +3% WSDmg and more goodies.. thanks the the quick response
Bahamut.Serj
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By Bahamut.Serj 2011-10-25 01:45:29
In my spreadsheet, I had ele. belt coming ahead of bier +1 on harder stuff at 90 cap. On weaker stuff, the difference was negligible enough to not warrant spending money on the +1.
Just something to keep in mind.
 Ramuh.Austar
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By Ramuh.Austar 2011-10-25 01:46:25
In my spreadsheet, I had ele. belt coming ahead of bier +1 on harder stuff at 90 cap. On weaker stuff, the difference was negligible enough to not warrant spending money on the +1.
Just something to keep in mind. Because of the Acc? If acc is an issue I'd say Anguinus would beat both.
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By Bahamut.Serj 2011-10-25 01:52:21
In my spreadsheet, I had ele. belt coming ahead of bier +1 on harder stuff at 90 cap. On weaker stuff, the difference was negligible enough to not warrant spending money on the +1.
Just something to keep in mind. Because of the Acc? If acc is an issue I'd say Anguinus would beat both.
Came out ahead of Anguinus. Haven't checked since 95, but I wouldn't be suprised if Anguinus pulled ahead now due to uncapped acc by a decent portion in VW.
But lolmnk in voidwatch.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2011-10-25 01:53:29
What spreadsheet is this? I do most of my own math, and you have stats on VW NMs?
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By Bahamut.Serj 2011-10-25 01:56:16
Also, just realized I said something that applied at 90 cap that was true in the mainly relevant area of the game that is no longer that, and the new relevant area not being mnk friendly.
Regardless, the .1 ftp increase is slightly behind, iirc, Bier +1 due to fstr being capped. Also in the rare case you aren't capped acc in abyssea (fairly certain that's very, very few nms).
Might be worth looking over Anguinus again, 15 attack and 1 DA might pull it ahead of Bier and Ele.
I'll check tomorrow if I remember. Too tired to deal with it right now.
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By Bahamut.Serj 2011-10-25 01:57:43
What spreadsheet is this? I do most of my own math, and you have stats on VW NMs?
I do not have stats on VWNMs. Motenten's spreadsheets had adjustable stats, but presets for Bukhis and fodder mobs in heroes zones. Bukhis would probably be a decent comparison to some of the new vwnms.
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By Odin.Hitoseijuro 2011-10-25 01:59:19
In my spreadsheet, I had ele. belt coming ahead of bier +1 on harder stuff at 90 cap. On weaker stuff, the difference was negligible enough to not warrant spending money on the +1. Just something to keep in mind. Because of the Acc? If acc is an issue I'd say Anguinus would beat both. Came out ahead of Anguinus. Haven't checked since 95, but I wouldn't be suprised if Anguinus pulled ahead now due to uncapped acc by a decent portion in VW. But lolmnk in voidwatch. What gear, /sub, food, buffs were you using? and stats on mob? I cant think of any situation where ele belt would be better than Anguinus for Victory smite. For A.Fury, yes I can see ele belt being better, but not for VS which gains a smaller boost from the ftp bonus, vs 15attack, 5 accuracy 1% DA.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2011-10-25 02:01:05
Yeah, I'd think anguinus would win too. And bier and bier+1 would give you the same increase depending on the rest of your stats and stuff too, wouldn't it?
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By Bahamut.Serj 2011-10-25 02:04:44
In my spreadsheet, I had ele. belt coming ahead of bier +1 on harder stuff at 90 cap. On weaker stuff, the difference was negligible enough to not warrant spending money on the +1. Just something to keep in mind. Because of the Acc? If acc is an issue I'd say Anguinus would beat both. Came out ahead of Anguinus. Haven't checked since 95, but I wouldn't be suprised if Anguinus pulled ahead now due to uncapped acc by a decent portion in VW. But lolmnk in voidwatch. What gear, /sub, food, buffs were you using? and stats on mob? I cant think of any situation where ele belt would be better than Anguinus for Victory smite. For A.Fury, yes I can see ele belt being better, but not for VS which gains a smaller boost from the ftp bonus, vs 15attack, 5 accuracy 1% DA.
Standard VS build on Bukhis. Thew bomblet, vulcan's pearl, Anwig with str/ws damage, rancor, epona's / rajas, heafoc, hachiryu, +2 feet, atheling, +2 body.
Was with berserk, RCB, marches, impetus, and focus or aggressor. Didn't seem to be able to cap attack unless you added drinks and chaos roll.
Said I'm tired, and you guys are asking me to remember stuff. So cruel.
 Ragnarok.Stiel
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By Ragnarok.Stiel 2011-10-25 03:03:55
Shura+1 head can really get WS dmg+3%, STR+5, ATK+6?
i readed wiki bgwiki ecc,never heard of str on the kabuto,i knew max was ws dmg attk and conserve tp,thought there were no stats as augments? btw whats the best aug then,for the shura haidate +1?
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By Odin.Hitoseijuro 2011-10-25 03:12:44
Shura+1 head can really get WS dmg+3%, STR+5, ATK+6? i readed wiki bgwiki ecc,never heard of str on the kabuto,i knew max was ws dmg attk and conserve tp,thought there were no stats as augments? btw whats the best aug then,for the shura haidate +1? str stat augments is a random augment, meaning getting str as an aug is based solely on luck. I dont know how high it can go, Id assume 5-6.
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By Ragnarok.Stiel 2011-10-25 10:36:29
btw,i thought was aesir ear pendant one of best,dunno about vulcan,but i read moonshade earring whit tp bonus and attk 4 is even better? i have it for fudo,atm for VS i have kemas or aesir,which of these 3 should i use? ^^
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By Siren.Mcmurdles 2011-10-26 07:11:15
may be a stupid question... but i recall reading somewhere that with 8/8 h2h merits, faith torque, af3 +2 hands and bruisers earring bumps you up a dmg tier, is it now worth ws'ing in these3 pieces or do you sacrifice too much?
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By Diabolos.Yugl 2011-10-26 07:22:40
Rancor Collar and Flame pearl are better than Bruiser's + Faith Torque.
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By Odin.Hitoseijuro 2011-10-26 09:14:39
btw,i thought was aesir ear pendant one of best,dunno about vulcan,but i read moonshade earring whit tp bonus and attk 4 is even better? i have it for fudo,atm for VS i have kemas or aesir,which of these 3 should i use? ^^ Moonshade, should be. Though I caution on your atmas(things like using GH) and having impetus up aswell as rancor collar with it, as youll likely be pushing crit cap if youre not careful with impetus up(and forget it if you have GH on, should be using SS personally).
Definately the way to go outside, and with impetus down in abyssea. Its probably 2-3 crit% vs 3attack, vs +2-3 wsc -2att. So ya youll get the most out of that earring outside and inside under the right situations, Id probably use Justiciers torque + str earring(+3/4) with impetus up.
Ragnarok.Stiel
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By Ragnarok.Stiel 2011-10-26 17:46:24
Oww that's nice to know ty alot XD
So justicier torque work better than old ire torque +1?btw,i often see talks about impetus up down berserk up down.
@hitoseijuro i see you are good at maths,but exactly how many victory smite macros do you have? XD
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By Ramuh.Austar 2011-10-26 17:47:52
I have 6, and I'm told I have too many.
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By Odin.Hitoseijuro 2011-10-26 21:13:41
Impetus down
Impetus up
VS acc
Boost VS(when I dont have marches)
Capped attack VS
Outside abyssea VS
The top 4 are mainly what I have macro'd and the other 2 are situational. Though capped attack VS serves little increase as the closer you get to optimal gear the less of a swap it is.
For instance impetus up + capped attack means you're only swapping out justicier for Ire +1 and thew for tantra, not much of a huge impact really, which is why I dont really use that macro anymore. That and I sold my Ire +1 ,_, I dont have room...;;
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By Ragnarok.Stiel 2011-11-03 01:00:04
Hmmm thought rancor should be used almost fulltime,unless using GH in aby.Did i missed something? XD
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By Odin.Hitoseijuro 2011-11-03 05:42:09
Hmmm thought rancor should be used almost fulltime,unless using GH in aby.Did i missed something? XD 25% crit rate(dex/merits/base) +30% (RR) +15%(assumption on VS crit rate) = 70%.
About 18 hits to 100%tp(have a base avg of 10-12tp from initial ws) or 20 from 0tp. Thats 18-20% Crit rate more assuming no misses toss in any counters or over TP overflow and you have a small window of 5% crit before rancors goes to waste.
Its not always likely to happen, but I have seen 40 consecutive hits with impetus up(basically nulling rancor on ws) so thats why I have my impetus up set for times I feel I havent missed after the first ws. Or just so you dont have to bother counting the misses or w/e heh.
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By Sylph.Charandi 2011-11-05 18:19:03
Planning to upgrade Flame Pearl to Moonshade Tp bonus/attack +4.
Using SS/RR/Apoc atmas inside so from what I've read sticking to rancor inside and outside is best.
I've been unable to decide what belts to use. Anguinis/Elemental/Black Belt. I've been reading through the thread but couldn't find a definitive answer. I'm thinking Anguinis for outside and just sticking to Black belt or maybe buying Bier+1 for inside. Any opinions?
By d34dsouls 2011-11-11 08:15:38
Anguinis inside aby, beir belt +1 or black belt outside.
Edit: That assuming you're using GH, RR, and SS like most, if you prefer the GH, RR, and Apoc, then I'm not sure. I've played with both without getting huge noticable returns. I'll let you decide.
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2011-11-11 08:16:40
Anguinis inside aby, beir belt +1 or black belt outside.
Pretty sure you got it backwards
By d34dsouls 2011-11-11 08:19:03
Yeah, I did. And, thanks for calling it out, even in my edit I didn't fix it, lol. Hooray for trying to post after a 10hours shift.
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2011-11-11 08:38:48
Also, MOST people use RR GH SS?
Pretty sure most people use RR SS Apoc >_>
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By Asura.Loneshadow 2011-11-12 02:46:32
Was doing augments for my sky gear and got DEX+4 ATK+5 WSDmg +1 on my Shura kabuto. Was wondering if it'd be better then Aias Bonnet in inside or outside Victory Smite sets.
Inside Set;
Outside Set;
Ok I am not a mnk main by any stretch of the definition but I do have the 30 advancement coins to finish the +1 weapon once I have finished the nm trials.
This is what I am planning on using as soon as I finish within the next week. My main question is, what gorget should I be using with this weaponskill and is it better than a neck with 5+ str. My other question is with VS being a 4 hit /ws do I really need to concern myself with ACC should I upgrade to hefoc mitts?
Any other constructive help would be appreciated. Thanks.
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