Victory Smite Build

I don't really know for sure, but I'm pretty certain af3+2 body is better outside aswell, specially with impetus up.
I understand you'r going for a high dex build, but idk if it's worth stacking dex unless you'r only doing old 75 content.
Also, just use Black Belt inside of aby, 1 more str and the dex on pipilaka does nothing for you with RR atma\cruor buffs.

He doesn't have Blackbelt, but there is always Beir/+1 for abyssea set. Stacking all that DEX is not worth it in general for outside builds.

I'd use that augmented shura head for abyssea build over Aias. You should really try get WS DMG+2% on it, shouldn't be too hard - even on NQ abj.

It can actually get Attack +7 on Kabuto +1. My augmented Kabuto +1 has WSD +3% Attack +7 and earth +4 (lulz). You could also get lucky from random pool and get STR +1~5 or even Attack +8, but don't count on it happening. I tried for STR+ using over 300 dryadic tatters and never saw it once. The one time I did get STR +1 it was when I was augmnting my Zenith Pumps.

Would Moonshade with TP Bonus+25 ATK+4 beat Vulcan's Pearl for inside/outside sets?

Most likely, but inside I wouldn't use it if you have Impetus up with GH atma.

Looked at DPS for Vere vs. Reve+2/+3 and deciding to get Vere.
Posting updated gear sets I plan on getting.

TP


VictorySmite(Inside)Head is STR+2 WSDmg+3 ATK+6/Legs are STR+5


VictorySmite(Outside)


WoTG almost done. Will get TP bonus +25 and ATK+4, using Beir+1 on inside set cause 9 > 7 STR and I already have the belt from SAM.

Anything to change?

For TP set, rancor+moonshade (regain) beats any combo in those slots. If using Rancor/moonshade is a problem/no regain augment, Calcitrant Stole+Aesir Earring beats Faith Torque+Bruiser's Earring (Taken from Motenten's testings). Bumping up a tier for H2H does not beat the +5 kickattack dmg that Calcitrant Stole offer+the ATK.

Your Abyssea WS set looks good for Berserk/Impetus up situations, and I'd stick with Shura+1 head and Heafoc Mitts for outside builds too.

Also, GH is not worth using over SS atma.

I understand that this thread is about maximising the damage potential from Victory Smite and to an extent the damage during the TP phase. But something has been bothering me:

Whenever I'm on MNK in a party situation I usually grab hate quickly and will continue to tank the rest of the fight. Most of the time there aren't any healers taking care of me, so I /DNC nearly anything. I also solo alot, so I have come so accustomed to /DNC with its sambas, waltzes and flourishes that I wouldn't want to do anything without it. Considering this situation, what are your opinions on:

• I prefer to use GH inside abyssea over SS, because GH adds to the counter percentage. Countering more means taking less damage, means using less TP to keep myself alive, means WSing more frequently. Where is the break-even point?
  

• I steer away from Rancor Collar because I'm not sure if the extra critical hit damage outweighs the DT on it. Doing more damage shortens average fight length, which should reduce the overall damage taken. But since using Rancor Collar means taking more damage per hit, where is the break-even point?

This weekend I will receive my lvl 75 Spharai. I expect the upgrades to 95 to take me about 2-3 weeks (considering RL obligations). Would you suggest I alter my play style with added counter? I know counter caps at 80% from Appie's testing, so I will have to do some testing on the usefulness of GH inside abyssea.

I think the main assumption in this thread is you have a WHM with you. Thus, maximum damage is key. As for the Rancor Collar, during TP phase, that 10% is going to be very moot. And any damaging attacks, should be halted with PDT/MDT gear, in which case you would switch the neck out.

edit: In regards to Spharai, assuming CS at 60%(Af2 boots), and a 5% increase from base Spharai(per increase), you would be looking at another 25%, actually pushing you over the cap. So GH would be completely useless.

From a DD standpoint (when you duo kill anything with a WHM) GH adds little over SS Atma. Most of the time that crit rate going to waste when Impetus is up, and that 10% counter won't make or break anything.

Spharai 95 gives counter +11, not 25

Use your inside set outside. Unless you know the exact agi of your target, using dex hybrid sets are completely worthless. Also, Anguinus belt is generally better.

Ganesha's mask, Rancor collar + aseir ear pendant in tp.

Impetus down, Oce. +1 and Toci's is the best currently.

Can also use (future) af3+2 hands, denali jacket +5, and Ganesha's Mask.

In your set, Ganesha's Mask, rancor collar + aseir. Change out rancor/aesir to faith/brusier's depending on what you need. Mainly use thew bomblet as well over tantra, unless you need the acc (vwnm).




Only thing of value in that post. Ignore the rest.

Not to go too off-topic but regarding moonshade..

I looked up an older thread a while back where Nightfyre suggested that Counter+ might be the best overall augment for mnk, and the gains from either tp bonus and regain aren't as substantial. I'm not sure of any real testing that has been done but I assume vulcan's is still good if you went with Counter instead of regain or tp bonus.

Can't link to the older thread atm but its here if you search for it.

That post would have to be really old, probably prior to any good information on Victory Smite's critrate bonuses. It still has some value for a MNK main but now that content has shifted away from solo MNK tank easymode I can't in good faith suggest that augment for most MNKs.

Weird, seems to me you just echo'd what I said, while adding other inputs.

Though I was surprised myself, Faith+bruiser became one of the weaker combos for those slots according to testings.

Serj I assume you modified his item sets in that quote? if so there is a few items I wouldn't agree on.
I am very doubtful that Ocelomeh Headpiece +1 (or Aias Bonnet) beats the Shura Kabuto+1 (8 STR, ACC+6, WS DMG+3%, ATK+6) with those augments for outside builds, even when Impetus is down.

When he has Shura Haidate+1 with +5 STR augment, Hachiryu Haidate is a negligible upgrade. 1 STR, 8 ACC vs 5 ATK.

Ample Gloves shouldn't be used at all for Victory Smite.

You must be retarded and unable to comprehend what I said.

Why would I give advice on his outside set and ignore what I already said which was use his inside set all the time.

Also, tp set != ws set.

I don't get what's hard to understand here. When I spoke about his tp set, everything following was about the tp set.

It's nice to have a brain.

So, guys, how's it goin? How's everyone doing? Good! Good, glad to hear it.

What's with the name-calling?

2nd time you skimmer past my post. I get the feeling you tend to do this often?

I was unsure if the item sets you quoted was altered by your since they changed from when Loneshadow posted them, as a response to what you wanted him to improve on.

Excluding those item sets I quoted, you didn't bother comment on those other items did you?

Well, I didn't change a single item set in his post or skim past your posts. Sorry if I seemed to attack your post a bit, but I already stated things that covered whatever you said, or threw out.

Reading comprehension helps a bit. Or rereading. Or both.

Overall, I do get kind of annoyed when everything that needs to be covered in a thread is already covered, yet people just seem to post and ask things that have been answered several times.

Same thing happened in the Ukko's thread.

Misplaced venting perhaps? I didn't ask for gear advices.

If you look at my initial post (on this page) I gave Loneshadow 3 pointers; two of them you repeated, the third one was tested to be a better combo than your input. Then you proceed to call my input worthless on the matter (no I am not crying lol) but you come off very strong. If reposting info bugs you out so much, why bother?

I'll point it out.



Ultimately worse than Rancor/aesir, which I stated to use. Also, regain is horrible and you should be using a TP bonus moonshade with smite.


I stated he should use his inside set outside. Which throws out everything else you failed to mention or neglected which were horrible gear options.


Only thing of value in your post.

tl;dr

So, stop giving horrible gear advice. It's annoying as ***.

Soo..

TP

Would it be worth it switching Tantra Gaiters to Usu feet for TPing?

WS

Switch belt to Anguinus for outside set?

Edit; Using Shura legs +1 w/ Aug'd +5 STR over Hachi.

Keep the feet read that wrong (or did I? Your sets are showing different stuff...). Wear Tantra Gaiters, and I'm checking Motenten's spreadsheet, but I'm extremely confident Rancor collar is above that neck.

Yes.

Edit: As expected, Calcitrat is very far behind rancor collar in situations you don't have capped crit rate (hurr durr).

Ok, this is getting stupid :) you are now not comprehending/twisting what I said. Just to show we are on the same page with gear;

1). Did I not say that if using rancor is problem/regain on moonshade, Calcitrant Stole+Aesir is the 2nd best combo?
AKA in situations you dont wanna tp in rancor, nor have regain augment on moonshade. Maybe you should take time to reread stuff yourself.

I have TP bonus+25, ATK+4 myself on this earring. I agree that those augments are more user-friendly for several jobs compared to regain, but rancor/regain was tested to be best TP combo. Its called being objective though for a guy who asked for gear advices.

Yes, and Rancor+Aesir beats anything sans regain earring obviously.

you still said this: Faith+Bruiser is inferior to Calcitrant stole+aesir as mentioned already.

2). What seems to be the problem here? (2nd time posting this) do we not suggest the same thing? Seems like same ***to me.

3). Seems we agreed on something.

Still brings me to my previous post
Ok, no more of the quote-discussions from me atleast. Pick it apart as you see fit.

Just had to confirm if you just skimmer'd through posts, rather than actually understand whats being said.

Planned to Rancor for TP over Calcitrat in cases where I wouldn't care about taking too much dmg, but mostly plan to use Rancor.

If using Gane's Mask over Tantra Crown would think Usu feet might be nice. Don't know is 8 STR beats 7 ATK, extra STP never hurts, and only 1 less ACC. Also makes sure you reach true haste cap. But thats my opinion.

Why do you suggest a regain for TP to beign with when it's blatantly obvious he used it for TP Bonus?

The regain augment is meant as an viable option if you see the quote.
Serj is right about Rancor+aesir being the best combo if no regain.

Cashing in 800-1 mill for Bruisers (depending what server you are on) and buy a cheaper piece (Calcitrant Stole) if he were to use this combo instead. More gear really? Swapping out Bruisers for Calcitrant - easy math, and you call me retarded?

Look, I dont think you are a shitty player with lack of knowledge of gear, but try show some tact next time.

*looks at your profile*

I'm sorry, what? And last I played brusier's was 100k. You're the idiot who knows nothing due to completely ignoring Rancor.

Oh, right, nice ire torque and tantra tathlum.