Victory Smite Build

Ok so bit of help here. We keep talking about thaumas and i'm starting to lose track which piece we talkin about lol. Critique my current set. I have access to 5/5 thaumas as well.




http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/258794

If you need attack thats pretty much cop teir excluding the new +1abj/legion gear. The Myramex mittens austar mentioned beat heafoc, and Thaumas shoes probably beat tantra af3+2. melee gloves+2 might beat heafoc until you get myramex.

Edit: As of the moment, my math for thaumas body is for those with out Toci's harness and the body off of morta.

Augmented Shura Kabuto +1 >
Kacura Leggings +1 >

which should be,btw khepri kecks and thaumas kecks best for vs?
really curious how maths goes ^^

Even if the WS dmg only applies to first hit?

Does it really? weak

We don't have conclusive testing, but Dias has a test saying it likely doesn't.

Eww... That is really sad. I was hoping that that kabuto would be great for nin til I get hi (been lazy cuz I HATE lotto NMs). And don't kill me, I know this is mnk business. Was simply askin bout the kabuto since I saw it posted here.

Khepri seem to be best unless acc is really low.

It applies to all hits except the offhand.

Khepri is about tied before augments, except on fodder where it pulls ahead. You'll want Thaumas for the accuracy on anything important.

I can never tell the diff between you and Kaparu/Tsuko/Dodu anymore

He's a dog.

It's worse in-game. :(

Sorry to ask but does the Monk +2 body have to be equipped during ws for impetus?

Yes, but not during TP.

Hi just wanted to get some critisism(sp? lol) on my VS set. I feel its a bit low in the dmg dept. I dont do Nyzul or anything for that gear, so suggesting it would be kinda hard for me atm. But anything else i can surely try to get.

head is the str, agi, ws acc, ws dmg. lvl 90 vere.




Only things i got from reading these posts is that Shura head aug'd and shura legs aug'd would be obvious upgrades?

Kemas to Vulcans/TP bonus.
Ammo to thew or that +15 Attack one.

Where's the testing showing it applies to all hits? (Aug. Shura Kabuto)

From a friend of mine -
Victory Smite (Attack Uncapped - Impetus Up)- Kabuto: WSD+3%, DEX+4, Attack+5


Victory Smite (Attack Uncapped - Impetus Down) - Kabuto: WSD+3%, DEX+4, Attack+5

It sounds like attack will be capped in most situations when Impetus is up since you'll be stacking with berserk.

If you are alternating focus and aggressor what situation will you have uncapped accuracy in?

Could we not just use a Impetus up max dmg, and a Impetus down max dmg set for the majority of the content?

My fault, missed this set:
Victory Smite (Attack Capped) - Lacking Myrmex Mittens.

From my understanding, you needed the body to be equipped for the crit damage bonus. Is that untrue or is the crit damage just outweighed by Thaumas coat that it's not worth TPing in over Thaumas?

I believe Pil has somewhere ~540 defense. This means you need ~1080 attack to cap pDIF. I sit at 790 attack in my vere uncapped attack TP set with berserk up. Even with stalwarts, berserk, impetus, and red curry I won't be hitting 1080 natural attack; furthermore, we can assume higher level content mobs will have even more defense. We also need to remember that impetus will be reset on average once every ~19 hits (with capped accuracy). Sure you'll cap attack on anything with 5x minuets/chaos, but those situations are where we begin to cater the set to the given scenario.

Moreso, when berserk/impetus are down, our attack will be even further under cap. Hence, why people make all these attack capped/uncapped sets :)

Focus gives 30 accuracy if you do the temple crown swap in.
Aggressor gives 25 accuracy.

These certainly help, but an extra 25-30 accuracy doesn't make you insta-capped for all content. Provenance caturae come to mind, wave 2 and wave 3 legion mobs, prov watcher, etc. We had a lot of melee consistently using RCB's when no madrigals/hunter's roll were present in provenance and they were parsing between 50-75% acc. Granted, some of them weren't so hot in the first place, but I have personally parsed 75-80% accuracy on caturae fights when I have experimented with RCB's and brd/cor accuracy buffs were not present. The bottom line is you cannot cap TP phase/WS phase accuracy without sushi or madrigals/hunter's/feint in the content I have listed.


If you only want to have two sets, then that's certainly up to personal preference. To have everything covered though, one will need an accuracy heavy TP/WS set, an accuracy capped/attack uncapped TP/WS set, and an attack capped TP/WS set. It would just drive me too bonkers knowing half of my gear is doing absolutely nothing for me in situations where you have 1900+ attack from zerg buffs; potestas bomblet, and much of the other more "standard set" gear will do nothing for us in these situations.

Thanks for breaking that down for me Warden. I have been away for awhile and am satiating my urge to play by researching how the game has changed. I'm surprised about the amount of challenging content still available.

Vigiliance mantle was accidentally put in there while I was looking at attack capped spiral gear--back slot for attack capped smite is supposed to be rancorous; completely my fault with the misclick on that one.

Question for everyone--I was comparing Thaumas Kecks against Athos's legs vs ADL when accuracy and attack are both capped (5 minuets, madrigal, chaos, RCB). I have been using Thaumas kecks for the 9 STR, but was beginning to wonder if Athos's leg's +4% crit hit damage would be better, along with the 3% crit rate from pairing them with gloves. I plugged the above set into Moten's spread sheet, and Athos's legs ended up being significantly (~80 damage) worse than Thaumas. I triple verified that accuracy and attack were both capped without Thaumas, so the acc/attack are playing no role there.

To be clear, I was using "Pil" as the target since it is the highest level/defense mob in the spreadsheet. I know it has been mentioned that these sheets can produce faulty information, so I am interested in getting a few verbal opinions. Given that impetus will always be up for these fights, and the presence of rancorous/nefarious/kacura leggings+1/athos bonus/crit merits--my gut is really leaning towards the Athos legs, but the excel sheet obviously says otherwise.

I have a question about quadruple attack on Victory Smite.
So I'm curious about if there has been any testing; Can It activate during Victory smite, if so, is it only on the first hit? My understanding is you can't have more than 8 hits on one WS, I'm curious how this, triple attack, and double attack all work out.

So, I wanted to ask you guys since you are good at maths and what beats out what in the end, flame me, or bash me for asking it here..buuuuuuuuuut is the whole stack more h2h skill to reach the next dmg tier still viable? I was looking at my dd set and was thinking about 3 areas:

Currently i have Ghille Earring +1, tanta +2 hand, and faith torque. Which gives enough h2h skill.

Would: Bruiser's earring, melee +2 hand, and faith beat that? I ask cause this one would lose haste, and - some h2h skill.

You guys are so cool at the maths, and I R Not, so, thought I'd as a little side question.

In general that got passed up in favor of other stuff, I think at 95 cap it was the thing, though. (I was so happy to buy Bruiser's for 800k then end up NPCing it...)

However, with full h2h merits, I am at 440 skill. Faith bumps you up to the 52 base damage tier, but Bruiser's alone will not, and Bruiser's and Faith doesn't take you to 53.

Almost have Vere done and.. well this is what I want to end with.

TP


WS


Thoughts?

TP: Tantra+2 for Impetus up

WS: Tantra+2 Body Impetus Up, Melee gloves +2 for ACC uncapped, ShuraHead WSDmg+3% ATK+4, Moonshade TP+25 ATK+4

Almost positive people keep telling ya mnks that you should be using rajas to shave off an attack round lol.