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By Siren.Lamington 2012-07-23 03:04:20
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Impetus down


Imeptus up



Here's my current sets, just wanting some feedback on these sets.
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By Sylph.Wardeniii 2012-07-23 08:03:04
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I use rancorous mantle/nefarious collar in both sets, although I use thunder gorget in legion against some of the wtfevasive mobs (wave 2 pony, wave 2 mul harpy, count chocula, etc).

Also potestas + TP bonus/attack moonshade--the crit rate from 100 -> 200 TP on smite is substantial, and I would love to see more TP bonus gear available for Mnk in the future.

Your boots are reversed from what seems to be most intuitive imo. I use Kacura+1 while impetus/berserk are up since increased crit rate will capitalize on the boosted crit damage from WS'ing in af3+2 body--furthermore, with impetus/berserk up, you are more likely to be capped attack, so it makes more sense to lose the Thaumas nails (which provide a generous amount of attack) while impetus/berserk are up, and instead use them while impetus/berserk are down to compensate for the lost bonuses from berserk/impetus. I'm kind of speaking in overly generalized terms though, since in reality when attack is capped, you should be aware of it, and should instead be purely stacking WS mods/DA/TA/crit/etc. anyway for WS.
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By Sylph.Wardeniii 2012-07-23 08:30:13
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In other news, it would appear that the augments for Tenryu Body and Feet were added to BGwiki. So, we now at least know what the added stat is on each piece.

I have listed the augment to the right of each piece's name, and included the base stats of the unaugmented piece below each item. I am in no way responsible for being the primary source of any of this information, and am merely posting the summary of what all of the contributors on the wiki have found.

Honor Augments

Tenryu Somen +1 AUGMENT = Haste +6~7%
DEF:36 STR+9 AGI+9 Accuracy+12 Attack+12 "Subtle Blow"+10

Tenryu Domaru +1 AUGMENT = Double Attack 4~5% (Confirmed that 5% is the HQ, thus NQ is more than likely 4%)
DEF:63 STR+9 AGI+9 Accuracy+20 Evasion+10 "Store TP"+8

Tenryu Tekko +1 AUGMENT = Double Attack +1~2%
DEF:30 STR+8 AGI+8 Accuracy+10 Attack+10 "Subtle Blow"+7 Haste+4%

Tenryu Hakama +1 AUGMENT = Weapon Skill Damage +2~3%
DEF:50 STR+8 DEX+8 AGI+8 Accuracy+12 Attack+12 "Store TP"+6

Tenryu Sune-Ate +1 AUGMENT = Haste +3~4%
DEF:28 STR+7 AGI+7 Attack+13 Evasion+8 Enmity+8

Head/Hands/Legs immediately stand out. I can't see the body ousting thaumus, nor do I see the feet ousting the +45 base damage on kick attacks from AF3+2 unless the haste on these feet somehow facilitates a more profitable gear swap elsewhere that I haven't thought of. I have a tough time imagining that could be possible though given the 18% haste between BB/AF3+2 legs, and the haste available on Tenryu head/hands. I'm on the fence between Tenryu legs vs. Khepri legs(Which can also be augmented with WSD+2-3%). As long as you are certain accuracy is capped, the Khepri win, but its becoming more difficult to be certain of this given the evasion of legion mobs, arch-omega, and what I assume will be the case for future mobs.

Once you cancel out similar stats (calculated for 1 hander), the comparison between Tenryu+1/Khepri+1/Thaumas ends up being (All accuracy/attack boosts are accounted for from STR/DEX; when STR/DEX landed on an odd number, I rounded down).

Thaumas Kecks
(2 pieces) HP+40 STR+3 AGI+11, MND+2 Accuracy+9 Attack+3, Evasion+1 Haste+6%
(3 pieces) HP+40 STR+6 DEX+3 AGI+14, MND+5 Accuracy+10 Attack+5 Haste+6%

Tenryu
DEX+6 AGI+8 Accuracy+10, "Store TP"+6, WSD+2~3%

Khepri
STR+4 DEX+10 Evasion+1 "Subtle Blow"+8, Haste+5%

Further removing fluff stats irrelevant to WS shows

Thaumas Kecks
(2 pieces) STR+3, Accuracy+9 Attack+3
(3 pieces) STR+6, DEX+3, Accuracy+10 Attack+5

Tenryu
DEX+6, Accuracy+10, "Store TP"+6, WSD+2~3%

Khepri
STR+4, DEX+10, "Subtle Blow"+8
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By Shiva.Francisco 2012-07-26 01:29:22
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Not sure how feasible Thaumus is going to be going forward with the looming lamp nerfs... - so excluding that stuff, what would be the best set for Victory Smite? (Not sure about Tenryu stuff either... I'm mostly regulated to pick up groups for now, LS is dead... so it's basically VW drops or AH gear for now, aside from all the abyssea stuff I already have...
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By Shiva.Francisco 2012-07-28 00:36:30
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Adding a little to my last question...

If starting with...

Vere90/-/-/Potestas
Shura+1/Rancor/Brutal/Aesir
Tantra+2/Heafoc/Rajas/Epona
Atheling/BB/Usukane/Tantra+2

(Other gear I have that may be better than current settings: Melee+2 Gloves, Tantra+2 Gloves, Anguinus Belt, Tantra/Thew Ammo)

...and I have ~3,000,000 gil to spend with prices as such...

Prosillo Belt: ~1.9M
Rancorous Mantle: ~1.1M
Nefarious Collar: ~1.4M
Ghillie Earring +1: ~1.5M
Kacura Leggings +1: 900k
Mustela Gloves: 3M
Justiciar's Torque: ~1.1M

...what would provide the largest bang for my buck here, til I have enough cruor gil to get the rest? (I'm pretty sure that covers the extent of what I can get for gil, but not sure entirely on the best non-thaumus options...)
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By Odin.Sawtelle 2012-07-28 00:58:49
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I'd grab a TP bonus moonshade/justicar's torque/rancor mantle/kacura leggings first. Then NQ ghille for tp> Prosillio> Mustela> Nefarious> ghille+1 on that list. Also, don't discount nyzul completely. It would take at most 3 wins toget the 3 thaumas pieces you "need" for mnk which should be doable in under a month even given changes.
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By Asura.Akamatzu 2012-07-28 01:35:38
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This is what I use now.

Stats are:
STR+70
DEX+9
Attack+108
Accuracy+36
Critical hit rate+14%
DA+9%
TA+3%

This is what I hope to get one day.

STR+75
DEX+28
Attack+106
Accuracy+39
Critical hit rate+14%
DA+8%
TA+3%

I have no Toci for impetus down so I just use Tantra +2 anyways.
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By Peldin 2012-07-30 07:49:05
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How do you calculate whether +X attack is better than +X strength for Victory Smite? Obviously assuming in uncapped attack situations.
I've seen it discussed before, but I can't seem to find it atm (a link would be appreciated).

I was trying to decide if I should be wearing my Ghillie Earring +1 during Victory Smite. The only strength earring I have atm is a Kemas Earring.

Also, I just recently picked up Byakko's Haidate (15 dex) and the abjuration for Shura Haidate (+5 str). I assume Shura is better than Byakko's, right?

Current sets:
MONK TP

MONK WS

Sorry couldn't figure out how to post images of the complete set.
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By Valefor.Savain 2012-07-30 08:14:09
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Gear questions were already answered within the thread. Look through it.

If you don't have the perfect gear, and you're not using VS naked, you probably have a fine working set.

If you narrowed down the items you need to perfect your build, buying order won't matter.
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By Sylph.Wardeniii 2012-07-30 08:46:53
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Peldin said: »
I was trying to decide if I should be wearing my Ghillie Earring +1 during Victory Smite. The only strength earring I have atm is a Kemas Earring.

Brutal and TP bonus/attack Moonshade.
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By Sylph.Decimus 2012-07-30 09:50:13
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Peldin said: »
Current sets:
MONK TP

MONK WS

Sorry couldn't figure out how to post images of the complete set.



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By Peldin 2012-07-30 10:22:19
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Gear questions were already answered within the thread. Look through it.

If you don't have the perfect gear, and you're not using VS naked, you probably have a fine working set.

If you narrowed down the items you need to perfect your build, buying order won't matter.
Your post was of no help at all. As I said in my previous post, a link would be appreciated. I've actually already read the previous 30 pages, several of them more than once. If my current question was answered in there, I don't remember or didn't see it.

And again, "How do you calculate whether +X attack is better than +X strength for Victory Smite?" That's the question I would like to have answered. Then I wouldn't have to ask a bunch of "which item is better" questions.

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Brutal and TP bonus/attack Moonshade.
Stuck on mission 36 for WotG, so current options for 2nd earring are either Ghillie+1 or Kemas until I complete that. Thanks though.

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Thanks Decimus =)
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By Peldin 2012-08-02 11:34:23
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Fenrir.Nightfyre said: »
Ragnarok.Blindphleb said:
So determining those choices should best be left to personal checking in the field based on where and what you are fighting. I just came back is Kparse still the parser to use?
No. Parses are too variable; buffs/debuffs aren't always up and there may be variability in your targets. Heroes/Scars areas will also see your base stats change from time to time because of Dominion and Bastion. Math is the way to go.
Pulled from the first page. Would someone mind telling me how to do the math or a link to where someone shows the math?
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By Quetzalcoatl.Mnkk 2012-08-10 15:16:16
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Im looking for someone who is savvy with ffxi math. Was wondering about this the past couple of days.

I seen a post by Jinjo that said Beir+1 would be better than a windbuffet belt when attack is capped (Victory smite). The Wanion Belt would be ideal, however i do not have it atm. I also agree with diasetsu that the -DEX is not very good on a crit hit ws. So i was wondering if Windbuffet belt would beat out Pilaka Belt (6DEX 6STR) during attacked capped situations.

I was also wondering if Oneiros Ring (+2 triple attack) would beat a Rajas ring for victory smite mathematically.
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By Fenrir.Leoheart 2012-08-10 16:09:14
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Never used them personally, but shouldn't motentens spreadsheets be sufficient enough for your comparisons?
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By Odin.Sawtelle 2012-08-10 19:18:31
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Peldin said: »
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: »
Ragnarok.Blindphleb said:
So determining those choices should best be left to personal checking in the field based on where and what you are fighting. I just came back is Kparse still the parser to use?
No. Parses are too variable; buffs/debuffs aren't always up and there may be variability in your targets. Heroes/Scars areas will also see your base stats change from time to time because of Dominion and Bastion. Math is the way to go.
Pulled from the first page. Would someone mind telling me how to do the math or a link to where someone shows the math?

http://wiki.bluegartr.com/bg/Byrth's_WS_Damage_Guide

Edit: ffxiah isn't keeping the whole link. You'll have to copy paste the whole thing into a browser.
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By Fenrir.Motenten 2012-08-10 23:19:01
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Windbuffet vs Pipilaka: basically tied if you gain no benefit from the dex; if dex gives you crit rate, Pipilaka wins.

Rajas vs Oneiros: Rajas wins.

Repeatedly bumping the thread to ask the same question multiple times in a single afternoon: negative karma.
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By Peldin 2012-08-13 05:04:25
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I'm in a very similar situation to Francisco. I haven't had the option to get in to Nyzul yet nor have I done anything with Legion.


Anwig is augmented with +4 str/agi, +15 WS accuracy, and +2% WS damage
Kokugetsu Haidate is augmented with an additional +3 str

Some upgrades I know I can get/buy - moonshade earring, kacura leggings +1, mustela gloves, and nefarious collar/rancorous mantle.

I guess what I'm wondering, is if I should go grab an Anguinus Belt for free, or buy a Prosilio Belt for 3 mil.
Also I'm really looking for some good leg options that are better than +6 str and +3 accuracy. Thaumas is out of range for me atm. So are Khepri Kecks. I have the Shura Haidate abjuration, but Cursed Haidate haven't been sold on Sylph since last month so I'm kinda giving up on that (plus my synergy is crap right now anyway).
Thanks for the help guys.
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By Otomis 2012-08-17 21:57:30
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From what I am reading this item set:



If you add "Potestas Bomblet" For Ammo

And Use Toci's For Buffs Down is the Best VS Gear set you can strive for?

I am asking because I want to set some slightly long term goals in perfecting Mnk Gear sets. Also a link to a good Mnk xlm would be very helpful. I was not able to find it in forums.

Thank You (*^.^*)
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By Bahamut.Dionikes 2012-09-09 13:34:50
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In regards to what Otomis posted, I have all of that except myrmex and belt. What is the best sub for those 2 pieces?
Siren.Lamington said: »
Impetus down


Imeptus up



Here's my current sets, just wanting some feedback on these sets.


Ok so to follow up on these. For back and neck would it be better to swap in nefarious and rancorous?

Also, swap the feet for imp up and down?

For belt, prosilio until wanion?
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By Sylph.Decimus 2012-09-09 13:39:53
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If you're getting that serious, at least use a Ghillie Earring if not Ghillie Earring +1 over Aesir.
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By Bahamut.Dionikes 2012-09-09 13:45:15
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Ya, was just asking about these specific items.

For back and neck would it be better to swap in nefarious and rancorous?

Also, swap the feet for imp up and down?

For belt, prosilio until wanion?
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By Quetzalcoatl.Mnkk 2012-09-09 19:13:42
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Bahamut.Dionikes said: »
Ya, was just asking about these specific items.

For back and neck would it be better to swap in nefarious and rancorous?

Also, swap the feet for imp up and down?

For belt, prosilio until wanion?
If your attack is capped use a Light earring augmented with crit hit +1
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By Quetzalcoatl.Mnkk 2012-09-09 19:14:03
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If Vulcans pearl and TP bonus are not an option.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Loneshadow 2012-09-09 19:15:29
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Quetzalcoatl.Mnkk said: »
Bahamut.Dionikes said: »
Ya, was just asking about these specific items.

For back and neck would it be better to swap in nefarious and rancorous?

Also, swap the feet for imp up and down?

For belt, prosilio until wanion?
If your attack is capped use a Light earring augmented with crit hit +1
ATK/TP Bonus Moonshade or gtfo.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Mnkk 2012-09-09 19:18:08
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Quetzalcoatl.Loneshadow said: »
Quetzalcoatl.Mnkk said: »
Bahamut.Dionikes said: »
Ya, was just asking about these specific items.

For back and neck would it be better to swap in nefarious and rancorous?

Also, swap the feet for imp up and down?

For belt, prosilio until wanion?
If your attack is capped use a Light earring augmented with crit hit +1
ATK/TP Bonus Moonshade or gtfo.
ATK earring is worthless if you're capping atk without that earring brotha.
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