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By Carbuncle.Foretre 2011-08-10 21:07:08
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I just got caladbolg 85, i usually go /thf and use RR GC and Apoc, Since RR is like a GC when you SA your torcleaver, i can get about a 5-7k+ on whatever im fighting, while still retaining the 600k+ crits and 1k+ aftermath, my gear still isnt idea, here is my haste set up (first time posting so not sure if im doing this right lol)



missing a goading belt and moonshade earring ><

and here is my WS set i have currently



Still dont have everything i want T body, jingang feet, ganeshas mala, and ive been struggle for when i get my moonshade earrign whether to get TP bonus for some extra damage or regain for a quicker tp build, the brave grip adds to damage a bit too, more than the +2% double attack since triple and double attack rate it already kinda high, i was looking at a cavaros mantle then settled that the 3% damage increase wouldnt be worth sacrificing 20 attack.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-08-10 21:09:30
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Change your goddamn subjob.
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By Asura.Kaisuko 2011-08-10 21:09:45
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Carbuncle.Foretre said:
I just got caladbolg 85, i usually go /thf and use RR GC and Apoc, Since RR is like a GC when you SA your torcleaver, i can get about a 5-7k+ on whatever im fighting, while still retaining the 600k+ crits and 1k+ aftermath, my gear still isnt idea, here is my haste set up (first time posting so not sure if im doing this right lol)



missing a goading belt and moonshade earring ><

and here is my WS set i have currently



Still dont have everything i want T body, jingang feet, ganeshas mala, and ive been struggle for when i get my moonshade earrign whether to get TP bonus for some extra damage or regain for a quicker tp build, the brave grip adds to damage a bit too, more than the +2% double attack since triple and double attack rate it already kinda high, i was looking at a cavaros mantle then settled that the 3% damage increase wouldnt be worth sacrificing 20 attack.
Bravo sir, bravo.
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By Remora.Dodu 2011-08-10 21:15:08
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Both your TP and WS gear need a lot of adjustment, in addition to /SAM being drastically superior to /THF. I'm not familiar enough with the current 'heavy' gear available to give you specifics, but your Torcleaver build focuses entirely too much on attack, and not enough on mods. Granted, attack is extremely important for your WS, but its not important enough to be skimming over things like Ares(or whatever's better these days). You also need to work on the haste in your TP gear. With things like Zelus and Blitz available, there's no reason to be under 26%(or just below there, if Calad needs a lot of inconvenient STP to maintain X-hit).
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By Carbuncle.Foretre 2011-08-10 21:19:32
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/sam i find almost worthless in abyssea, for higher tier stuff you want to do damage on you usually have to stay back till they're done with procs while everyones running in, and with sekkanoki you can out damage 1 SA torcleaver with the combined damage with both and light, but Sa is up every minute, and in that minute you can usually get up to 300 tp again, wait 30 more seconds and you keep your level 3 after math right as it wears, if you Sa before a sam doing fudo or anything liek that you double the damage with a light or darkness SC, in the long run you are still doing more because of sekkanokis recast.
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By Asura.Kaisuko 2011-08-10 21:22:52
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Carbuncle.Foretre said:
/sam i find almost worthless in abyssea, for higher tier stuff you want to do damage on you usually have to stay back till they're done with procs while everyones running in, and with sekkanoki you can out damage 1 SA torcleaver with the combined damage with both and light, but Sa is up every minute, and in that minute you can usually get up to 300 tp again, wait 30 more seconds and you keep your level 3 after math right as it wears, if you Sa before a sam doing fudo or anything liek that you double the damage with a light or darkness SC, in the long run you are still doing more because of sekkanokis recast.
Find a better group. From the sounds of it you run with more than you need.
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2011-08-10 21:24:42
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Nope.
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By foretre 2011-08-10 21:29:32
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Remora.Dodu said:
Both your TP and WS gear need a lot of adjustment, in addition to /SAM being drastically superior to /THF. I'm not familiar enough with the current 'heavy' gear available to give you specifics, but your Torcleaver build focuses entirely too much on attack, and not enough on mods. Granted, attack is extremely important for your WS, but its not important enough to be skimming over things like Ares(or whatever's better these days). You also need to work on the haste in your TP gear. With things like Zelus and Blitz available, there's no reason to be under 26%(or just below there, if Calad needs a lot of inconvenient STP to maintain X-hit).
I'm not focusing on attack its just the best i currently have,
this is my ideal WS set,



and for tp i'm just missing a goading belt and blitz ring
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2011-08-10 21:30:28
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foretre said:
Remora.Dodu said:
Both your TP and WS gear need a lot of adjustment, in addition to /SAM being drastically superior to /THF. I'm not familiar enough with the current 'heavy' gear available to give you specifics, but your Torcleaver build focuses entirely too much on attack, and not enough on mods. Granted, attack is extremely important for your WS, but its not important enough to be skimming over things like Ares(or whatever's better these days). You also need to work on the haste in your TP gear. With things like Zelus and Blitz available, there's no reason to be under 26%(or just below there, if Calad needs a lot of inconvenient STP to maintain X-hit).
I'm not focusing on attack its just the best i currently have,
this is my ideal WS set,



and for tp i'm just missing a goading belt and blitz ring

Nope.
Sub sam and work on a 7hit!
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By foretre 2011-08-10 21:31:12
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Asura.Kaisuko said:
Carbuncle.Foretre said:
/sam i find almost worthless in abyssea, for higher tier stuff you want to do damage on you usually have to stay back till they're done with procs while everyones running in, and with sekkanoki you can out damage 1 SA torcleaver with the combined damage with both and light, but Sa is up every minute, and in that minute you can usually get up to 300 tp again, wait 30 more seconds and you keep your level 3 after math right as it wears, if you Sa before a sam doing fudo or anything liek that you double the damage with a light or darkness SC, in the long run you are still doing more because of sekkanokis recast.
Find a better group. From the sounds of it you run with more than you need.
I go with 4-12 people, usually never see more than 8 people doing stuff with us though
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By foretre 2011-08-10 21:33:13
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Cerberus.Kvazz said:
foretre said:
Remora.Dodu said:
Both your TP and WS gear need a lot of adjustment, in addition to /SAM being drastically superior to /THF. I'm not familiar enough with the current 'heavy' gear available to give you specifics, but your Torcleaver build focuses entirely too much on attack, and not enough on mods. Granted, attack is extremely important for your WS, but its not important enough to be skimming over things like Ares(or whatever's better these days). You also need to work on the haste in your TP gear. With things like Zelus and Blitz available, there's no reason to be under 26%(or just below there, if Calad needs a lot of inconvenient STP to maintain X-hit).
I'm not focusing on attack its just the best i currently have,
this is my ideal WS set,



and for tp i'm just missing a goading belt and blitz ring

Nope.
Sub sam and work on a 7hit!
Why do you need a 7hit? triple attack is regular and so is aftermath and crit, so thats 3k an attack round and you usually go right into the next one when you're done.
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2011-08-10 21:34:28
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So you can ws more often, and deal more dmg overall?
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By Asura.Kaisuko 2011-08-10 21:34:34
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Cerberus.Kvazz said:
foretre said:
Remora.Dodu said:
Both your TP and WS gear need a lot of adjustment, in addition to /SAM being drastically superior to /THF. I'm not familiar enough with the current 'heavy' gear available to give you specifics, but your Torcleaver build focuses entirely too much on attack, and not enough on mods. Granted, attack is extremely important for your WS, but its not important enough to be skimming over things like Ares(or whatever's better these days). You also need to work on the haste in your TP gear. With things like Zelus and Blitz available, there's no reason to be under 26%(or just below there, if Calad needs a lot of inconvenient STP to maintain X-hit).
I'm not focusing on attack its just the best i currently have,
this is my ideal WS set,



and for tp i'm just missing a goading belt and blitz ring

Nope.
Sub sam and work on a 7hit!
Calmecac over Jingang as well. For TP at least.
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By Remora.Dodu 2011-08-10 21:35:40
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I can you already that you're probably in the wrong place. You seem to be comfortable with the way you're doing things, and it doesn't sound as if any of us are going to change your mind.
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By Asura.Tawhoya 2011-08-10 21:36:02
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Carbuncle.Foretre said:
/sam i find almost worthless in abyssea, for higher tier stuff you want to do damage on you usually have to stay back till they're done with procs while everyones running in, and with sekkanoki you can out damage 1 SA torcleaver with the combined damage with both and light, but Sa is up every minute, and in that minute you can usually get up to 300 tp again, wait 30 more seconds and you keep your level 3 after math right as it wears, if you Sa before a sam doing fudo or anything liek that you double the damage with a light or darkness SC, in the long run you are still doing more because of sekkanokis recast.
If you're comparing /sam to /thf because of sekanoki vs sneak attack, then you're missing the point. /sam works for many different ways. STP, survivability, meditate, counter, hasso when LR is down... THF only gives you SA for ws which isn't worth gimping your overall dps over.
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2011-08-10 21:36:53
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Why ask for advice if you don't wanna listen to it >_>
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By Asura.Kaisuko 2011-08-10 21:37:50
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Cerberus.Kvazz said:
Why ask for advice if you don't wanna listen to it >_>
I think he was just posting to tell everyone he could do 600k+ crits.
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By foretre 2011-08-10 21:38:27
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Cerberus.Kvazz said:
So you can ws more often, and deal more dmg overall?
From what im seeing here people dont get much more than 3-5k from ws /sam, i catch up enough in attack rate and make up more it way more when i WS every minute to minute and 30 seconds, and once i get a goading belt ill have a 7 hit without /sam, with /sam it would be a 6 hit.
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By Asura.Tawhoya 2011-08-10 21:38:32
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Asura.Kaisuko said:
Cerberus.Kvazz said:
Why ask for advice if you don't wanna listen to it >_>
I think he was just posting to tell everyone he could do 600k+ crits.
Good call and better avatar.
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By Asura.Tawhoya 2011-08-10 21:39:01
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foretre said:
Cerberus.Kvazz said:
So you can ws more often, and deal more dmg overall?
From what im seeing here people dont get much more than 3-5k from ws /sam, i catch up enough in attack rate and make up more it way more when i WS every minute to minute and 30 seconds, and once i get a goading belt ill have a 7 hit without /sam, with /sam it would be a 6 hit.
lol every minute...
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2011-08-10 21:41:22
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foretre said:
Cerberus.Kvazz said:
So you can ws more often, and deal more dmg overall?
From what im seeing here people dont get much more than 3-5k from ws /sam, i catch up enough in attack rate and make up more it way more when i WS every minute to minute and 30 seconds, and once i get a goading belt ill have a 7 hit without /sam, with /sam it would be a 6 hit.

The setup you have now, with goading, would be an 8hit with /sam.

So, you'r saying that it's better to ws once every minute with SA, than spam it every 20 seconds(or less)?
You are'nt supposed to wait for sekka timer every time you ws, you know.
Also, you attack faster /thf than we do /sam? Please, tell me how.
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By Asura.Tawhoya 2011-08-10 21:42:29
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Cerberus.Kvazz said:
foretre said:
Cerberus.Kvazz said:
So you can ws more often, and deal more dmg overall?
From what im seeing here people dont get much more than 3-5k from ws /sam, i catch up enough in attack rate and make up more it way more when i WS every minute to minute and 30 seconds, and once i get a goading belt ill have a 7 hit without /sam, with /sam it would be a 6 hit.

The setup you have now, with goading, would be an 8hit with /sam.

So, you'r saying that it's better to ws once every minute with SA, than spam it every 20 seconds(or less)?
You are'nt supposed to wait for sekka timer every time you ws, you know.
Also, you attack faster /thf than we do /sam? Please, tell me how.
Duh... Flee increases speed right?
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By Cerberus.Raddmage 2011-08-10 21:43:45
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Carbuncle.Foretre said:
I just got caladbolg 85, i usually go /thf and use RR GC and Apoc, Since RR is like a GC when you SA your torcleaver, i can get about a 5-7k+ on whatever im fighting, while still retaining the 600k+ crits and 1k+ aftermath, my gear still isnt idea, here is my haste set up (first time posting so not sure if im doing this right lol)



missing a goading belt and moonshade earring ><

and here is my WS set i have currently



Still dont have everything i want T body, jingang feet, ganeshas mala, and ive been struggle for when i get my moonshade earrign whether to get TP bonus for some extra damage or regain for a quicker tp build, the brave grip adds to damage a bit too, more than the +2% double attack since triple and double attack rate it already kinda high, i was looking at a cavaros mantle then settled that the 3% damage increase wouldnt be worth sacrificing 20 attack.
i wish i could do 600k+crits
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By Carbuncle.Foretre 2011-08-10 21:52:23
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Cerberus.Kvazz said:
foretre said:
Cerberus.Kvazz said:
So you can ws more often, and deal more dmg overall?
From what im seeing here people dont get much more than 3-5k from ws /sam, i catch up enough in attack rate and make up more it way more when i WS every minute to minute and 30 seconds, and once i get a goading belt ill have a 7 hit without /sam, with /sam it would be a 6 hit.

The setup you have now, with goading, would be an 8hit with /sam.

So, you'r saying that it's better to ws once every minute with SA, than spam it every 20 seconds(or less)?
You are'nt supposed to wait for sekka timer every time you ws, you know.
Also, you attack faster /thf than we do /sam? Please, tell me how.
First of all, i wasnt asking for advice i was just saying what i do. i was sayign the only time /sam can ever come close to beating a SA torcleaver was with sekkanoki, desperate blows and merits, there is only a minute delay and if you cant get something dead within that 3 minutes, im talking mostly NM's here cause SA torcleaver 1 shots any non NM anyway, anything you get from /sam can be given attainable with /thf if you have ppl with you, brds cors etc. are you guys out soloing all your NM's? and most bigger NM's you dont want to TP feed
or be in for too long because they have a lot of 1 shotting moves. then guess whos on the ground with a longer* (lol) delay than anyone else? oh its the /sam :o
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2011-08-10 21:57:54
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Carbuncle.Foretre said:
Cerberus.Kvazz said:
foretre said:
Cerberus.Kvazz said:
So you can ws more often, and deal more dmg overall?
From what im seeing here people dont get much more than 3-5k from ws /sam, i catch up enough in attack rate and make up more it way more when i WS every minute to minute and 30 seconds, and once i get a goading belt ill have a 7 hit without /sam, with /sam it would be a 6 hit.

The setup you have now, with goading, would be an 8hit with /sam.

So, you'r saying that it's better to ws once every minute with SA, than spam it every 20 seconds(or less)?
You are'nt supposed to wait for sekka timer every time you ws, you know.
Also, you attack faster /thf than we do /sam? Please, tell me how.
First of all, i wasnt asking for advice i was just saying what i do. i was sayign the only time /sam can ever come close to beating a SA torcleaver was with sekkanoki, desperate blows and merits, there is only a minute delay and if you cant get something dead within that 3 minutes, im talking mostly NM's here cause SA torcleaver 1 shots any non NM anyway, anything you get from /sam can be given attainable with /thf if you have ppl with you, brds cors etc. are you guys out soloing all your NM's? and most bigger NM's you dont want to TP feed
or be in for too long because they have a lot of 1 shotting moves. then guess whos on the ground with a longer* (lol) delay than anyone else? oh its the /sam :o

If you dont want to feed tp, it's better to sub sam and meditate + regain atma and run in every time you get 100tp.
No matter what you think, /thf is never gonna be better than /sam other than for epeen-numbers.
Doing a high-dmg weaponskill once a minute, that you have to be behind the enemy to do, is not gonna be better than everything /sam have to offer.
Also, if you pull hate as /thf, you cant even do those epic weaponskills of yours, and just have to take a beating.(Not that this last part really matters inside abyssea, but DRK really doesnt belong there in the first place)
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By Asura.Kaisuko 2011-08-10 21:57:55
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Carbuncle.Foretre said:
Cerberus.Kvazz said:
foretre said:
Cerberus.Kvazz said:
So you can ws more often, and deal more dmg overall?
From what im seeing here people dont get much more than 3-5k from ws /sam, i catch up enough in attack rate and make up more it way more when i WS every minute to minute and 30 seconds, and once i get a goading belt ill have a 7 hit without /sam, with /sam it would be a 6 hit.

The setup you have now, with goading, would be an 8hit with /sam.

So, you'r saying that it's better to ws once every minute with SA, than spam it every 20 seconds(or less)?
You are'nt supposed to wait for sekka timer every time you ws, you know.
Also, you attack faster /thf than we do /sam? Please, tell me how.
First of all, i wasnt asking for advice i was just saying what i do. i was sayign the only time /sam can ever come close to beating a SA torcleaver was with sekkanoki, desperate blows and merits, there is only a minute delay and if you cant get something dead within that 3 minutes, im talking mostly NM's here cause SA torcleaver 1 shots any non NM anyway, anything you get from /sam can be given attainable with /thf if you have ppl with you, brds cors etc. are you guys out soloing all your NM's? and most bigger NM's you dont want to TP feed
or be in for too long because they have a lot of 1 shotting moves. then guess whos on the ground with a longer* (lol) delay than anyone else? oh its the /sam :o
Like I said before, you need a new group. If you're dying that much on NMs you need new mages. and No, "we" don't solo our NMs its called lowmaning, and even if you have 18 people, please god don't have them all standing around one NM watching it.
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By Remora.Dodu 2011-08-10 22:01:10
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Like I said, you're in the wrong place. This is a discussion forum, used to exchange your ideas and entertain the ideas of others(even if to reject them after careful consideration). You're clearly set in your ways, and neither you or any of us serve to benefit from any further exchange of words.
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By BorealisV2 2011-08-10 22:01:45
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Reading this ***is making me cringe. It's not an opinion, it's a fact; you're a *** gimp for /THFing. Stop and /SAM.
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