Ukko's Fury Setup

Someone else must have a shorter method, I do (STP in WS set) - 100 (94 if using VV) / x number of hits = STP needed in TP phase after first WS.

Errrrrrr, nvm. Misread at first.

I just take the difference in sets. 2 over stp needed for a perfect 6 hit is 10 less stp you need in your ws set to keep a 6 hit.

6(x-hit) - 1(ws) * 2("overflow" stp) = amount you can subtract from your ws set.

I personally don't like taking in to account second+ hits on ws tp returns since it can wreck your x-hit. Regain depends on your attack speed. Can count in 3 ticks in your tp set to add in safely.

As long as accuracy is capped the probability of initial + 1 extra hit landing is at least 90% of the time for Ukko's, it's hits after that I feel unsafe counting.

Are Hachiryu Haidate worth it? No doubt they're sexy, but on my server they go for about 12-15M. That's a pretty good chunk of gil to macro 1 piece for 1 job. Can anyone speak from experience as to whether or not I would notice a substantial difference with them?

Oops wrong thread

Used for Fell Cleave only. Never use them for Ukko's.

Really? wow, I was just told they were like, the undisputed #1 ukko's pants. well, i guess thats a relief

Did you even bother to read any page of this entire thread?

yeah, a lot of sets had hachiryu, sry

Page 19. Herp.

And I think 10-14 spoke about nothing but legs and none of them had hachiryu being good.

This might be late but..

I've heard talk of at least crit rate+2 on Ebody along with DA/STP

Also I've heard talk of Armada breeches getting atleast 11 STR and say 6 INT(lulz) with crit hit dmg @_@


Adaman/Aramada with those stats would be full time then pretty much?

What about the breeches for weaponskills? It seems best for cleave but what about Ukko's

Critrate ebody and critdmg elegs are lies. Pretty sure Armada Breeches cap at STR+10 as well.

For ukko's it's been stated Hachiryu falls behind AF3+2 legs; so going to assume the same can be said of Armada.

Sorry, I'm vaguely considering finishing my Ukon and was wondering if there had been any solid Ukko's crit rate testing done. Rumors that it "doubles your critical hit rate" are pretty obviously false, considering RR WARs in Abyssea (55% crit rate) still have non-crit Ukko's.

If there hasn't and someone wants to do it, I outline a quick way to do it here. You can get within 5% quickly, and closer if you're patient.

Page 14, only documented tests I've seen done by Sawtelle.

Okay, so +30% at 100TP is a base guess. I'll see if I can pop on a Regen Atma and hammer some out on WAR/DNC on the test server later with a Maschu +2.

RR/SQ to start (65% crit rate), then I can toss on AF3+2 head to really nail it down if I want.

yay more testing. also did this back on page 19:

Interesting read on the actual numbers, so I guess I should say i'm 64% sure its actually 30 :/

Heh =p You're 64% sure it's 30% or more! You need a non-crit to set the other boundary.

So say you get a non-crit at RR+14% Crit rate (69%), then you know it has to give less than 31%. Then you get your large crit sample at RR+15% Crit rate (70%).

Realistically though, I think your test is fine and is solid enough that I'm comfortable wikifying it.

After just briefly checking out the new gear, I have not found anything that has changed a war's gear that can easily be accounted for (the new head and body might be plausible, but there's no way to accurately determine the TP return).

Current optimal sets that I have found at the 95 cap are identical to those at the 90 cap, but I didn't really commit a lot of time to reach these conclusions.

TP Restraint up and Abyssea WS - Low CRatio sets are what most people should be aiming for. The other sets are technically optimal for the situation, but will not make a particularly noticable difference.

TP Restraint Up:
TP Restraint Down:
Abyssea WS - Low CRatio:
Abyssea WS - High CRatio:
Outside WS:

Can anyone break down what conditions are necessary for the sea gorgets and the elemental belts to start pulling ahead? I've read through the thread but I don't think the math behind it was in here. I stopped using Gorgets a while back when I saw they fell behind Torques.

In the case of Ukko's;

The benefit of the Gorget compared to Ire Torque is Ukko's semi-low fTP (compared to Victory smite where Ire Torque is typically considered to be the better ws neck). With a 2.0 base fTP, the +.1 fTP from the gorget is just a greater bonus compared to the +7 str.

The benefit of the Gorget compared to Rancor Collar is Ukko's +30% critical hit mod. Coupled with Atmas, capped dDex, other gear; a typical Ukko's set would typically have at least 80% crit rate, and just like DA, additional critical hit rate has diminishing returns (iirc). So, just like Raging Rush or Victory Smite (again) where Rancor collar is considered better, which is because of their lower critical hit mod (+10%).

The benefit from the belt... Well, there really isn't a lot of competition from the belts, Beir Belt has the same issue as Ire Torque. And none of the other belt choices really stand out in any way unless I'm severely overlooking something.

I wouldn't consider everything I've said as fact at this point though, I'm pretty sure I'm right but someone who's not busy at work should probably double check and correct me >.>

So I've been augmenting Bellicus Cuisses, hoping for the best combo of Crit and WS Dmg.

I've gotten one set with max Crit, no other relevant stats, and one set with max WS Dmg, no other relevant stats. Are either of these worth using inside/outside over AF3+2?

Iirc from previous topics, the cuisses were only good if the augment had both stats together, so I'd say you're still better off with Af3+2 and its +5% DA

Thank you!

my current TP set: I think its ideal for the current update.



ideas on blitz+moonshade vs. ravagers+tyrant? I think latter pulls ahead but have yet to math it.

Edit: 3% TA valkarie body would be better, but that might atually be rarer than raiant mail><. Also, looks like blitz+moonshade might atually be the way to go.

Just like to point out that the Augmented Bellicus are the best for a high cratio RR set; AF3+2 or Byakko's are better for Ukkos.

@sawtelle. I was thinking a set like that but still use armada body with dusk+1 and a mars ring. What you think? I have had terrible luck trying to get that vw body lol :(

Just blitz would put you at haste cap. Otherwise youre still a 6hit with un capped haste. Dont think Moonshade will help at all. Ravagers all the way.

About to make a maschu+2 once I clear the last 8 chesma. What would I be looking at for TP/WS with out a rose strap?

Did some math today on the set and the .~~% haste on blitz+moonshade should pull ahead of the 1%da on ravager's+tyrant in almost all realistic situations.

That was the set I used to use for restraint down. With restraint up af3+2 hands/zelus/blitz/armada is still the way to go. Keep trying for the body! my ls finally got our first 2 mails last night after probably 50~ kills with capped lights.