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By Odin.Registry 2013-03-25 21:29:40
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Dishonored was a letdown for me. I was hopeing for something in line with a steampunk Bioshock, but it wasn't nearly as good.
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2013-03-30 13:01:58
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I think Bioshock created a better atmosphere, but Infinite's story is at least as compelling.
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By Asura.Azriel 2013-03-30 13:21:48
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I deffo found myself in Bioshock feeling again. Its everywhere and if not, you not looking at the right spot :D
I do miss the Big Daddys/Lil Sister underwater psychomutants also, but what Infinite offers made up for that.
My opinion.
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2013-03-30 13:25:12
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Cerberus.Eugene said: »
Infinite is set in a separate time, and perhaps a separate universe so you don't need to play those first. But you do need to play bioshock before bioshock 2.

I sort of recant what I said. It's still not necessary to play Bioshock first, but you will appreciate Infinite just a little bit more if you do.
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By Elijahwon 2013-03-30 13:25:50
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Odin.Zicdeh said: »
Leviathan.Alkalinejoe said:
That trailer looked amazing :O I need to go play Bioshock 2 now.

Edit: well demo.

Bioshock 2 is a cockslap to everything that made Bioshock great.


It really is a "Hollywood" sequel. They brought in just enough from Bioshock, to ***all over it, and nothing more.


This is by far the best description anyone can ever give regarding why bioshock 2 was even made. The original creator had nothing to do with that game, he also has added in interviews the gamers can decide which one was really bioshock 2.
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2013-03-30 13:30:04
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/shrug, it still received an 88% on metacritic which is better than most games. I think the Bioshock 2 hatred people put forward is:

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By Carbuncle.Lynxblade 2013-03-30 13:34:48
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already probably going to be a candidate for best game of 2013, and apparently some people are saying this could be 1 of the best games ever made
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2013-03-30 13:41:05
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Cerberus.Eugene said: »
/shrug, it still received an 88% on metacritic which is better than most games. I think the Bioshock 2 hatred people put forward is:

I think the main complaint for most people was they didnt like playing as a Big Daddy.

Carbuncle.Lynxblade said: »

already probably going to be a candidate for best game of 2013, and apparently some people are saying this could be 1 of the best games ever made

Its better than everything that came out last year, I would expect Bioshock, Last of Us, Beyond 2 Souls, and GTA V to be the GOTY contenders (unless GTA gets delayed again). The Bioshock games are definitely the best games made this generation.
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By Bahamut.Zanax 2013-03-30 13:41:11
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Cerberus.Eugene said: »
/shrug, it still received an 88% on metacritic which is better than most games. I think the Bioshock 2 hatred people put forward is:


The original game was the best but I had a blast drilling in peoples faces in Bioshock 2. Although I miss the dark and creepy setting of Rapture, Infinite is currently blowing my mind. GameOfTheYear is in the bag imo.

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By Cerberus.Eugene 2013-03-30 13:47:52
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Shiva.Viciousss said: »
Cerberus.Eugene said: »
/shrug, it still received an 88% on metacritic which is better than most games. I think the Bioshock 2 hatred people put forward is:

I think the main complaint for most people was they didnt like playing as a Big Daddy.
The story of Bioshock 2 wasn't as good as Bioshock or Infinite, but to the credit of the original game, the world of Rapture was so excellently written that most of the faults of 2 could be forgiven because you were able to revisit Rapture.

Bioshock created a legacy that made me want to forgive the flaws of Bioshock 2.
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By Valefor.Endoq 2013-03-30 14:00:56
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this game has nothing to do with Bioshock from what i can tell from playing it and it lacks elements the other games had like encouraging us to explore every nook and cranny with many searchable containers and usable items and in this one when i do that i often get stuck on a pixel and have to restart.

i am very disappoint
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By Asura.Azriel 2013-03-30 14:01:24
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lol you even played the game?
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By Valefor.Endoq 2013-03-30 14:02:47
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yep and i expected a lot more than this
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By Valefor.Endoq 2013-03-30 14:05:48
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also the game has no controlled save fetur anymore so this means only 1 save file . . . ever
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2013-03-30 14:06:42
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I still spend an inordinate amount of time opening trash cans and desks. I don't see how it's lacking in that respect. There's plenty of space to explore.
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By Quiznor 2013-03-30 14:07:32
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Gotta agree with endoq for the most part. (edit: he made a few posts while I was typing,so I agree with the lack of exploration bit and the pointlessness of scavenging when you have infinite everything provided for you) I was very disappointed. I was expecting a proper sequel to bioshock. I ended up getting another generic shooter that seemed like it took 1 or 2 things from bioshock.

Plasmids/vigors
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Steampunk (yuck)

Ended up getting stuck with a highly overhyped,mismarketed annoying tag along character and universe,completely average gameplay (except for all 5 times when you can use sky rails properly) and an utterly abysmal ending.

At least there was a few parts that made me smile. All the references to (since I'm Irish) Irish people being inferior like we were at that approximate time in history,and 1 location you get to go to briefly,which is a spoiler for the end of the game,so I'll leave it below
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By Valefor.Endoq 2013-03-30 14:13:06
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Quiznor said: »
Gotta agree with endoq for the most part. (edit: he made a few posts while I was typing,so I agree with the lack of exploration bit and the pointlessness of scavenging when you have infinite everything provided for you) I was very disappointed. I was expecting a proper sequel to bioshock. I ended up getting another generic shooter that seemed like it took 1 or 2 things from bioshock.

Plasmids/vigors
and
Steampunk (yuck)

Ended up getting stuck with a highly overhyped,mismarketed annoying tag along character and universe,completely average gameplay (except for all 5 times when you can use sky rails properly) and an utterly abysmal ending.

At least there was a few parts that made me smile. All the references to (since I'm Irish) Irish people being inferior like we were at that approximate time in history,and 1 location you get to go to briefly,which is a spoiler for the end of the game,so I'll leave it below

exactly what i was thinking to.
i wish i didnt get conned by gamestop into paying for the extra crap for it as well so it costed me 102$ lol
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2013-03-30 14:41:20
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Valefor.Endoq said: »
also the game has no controlled save fetur anymore so this means only 1 save file . . . ever
Check out Replay chapters option from the main menu. Game handles everything for you.
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By Valefor.Endoq 2013-03-30 14:43:09
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Cerberus.Eugene said: »
Valefor.Endoq said: »
also the game has no controlled save fetur anymore so this means only 1 save file . . . ever
Check out Replay chapters option from the main menu. Game handles everything for you.
thanks!
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2013-03-30 14:48:07
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Actually the more I think about it, the more I see elements of Bioshock 2's story in Infinite. How much does that make you rage Bioshock 2 haters?
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By Carbuncle.Lynxblade 2013-03-30 15:07:00
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Quiznor if you honestly think this is a generic shooter, you probably haven't played a generic shooter recently...

Walking dead Survivor instinct....now that's a generic shooter

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I honestly think people need to play more bad games, so they learn to appreciate things about good games

me personally I just got thru playing RE6, didn't think the game was terrible, but definitely wont prolly play it ever again, after that saw deus ex human revolution for used for 11dollars, playing it atm and love it.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2013-03-30 15:10:42
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Just go play an EA game then come back to Bioshock Infinite, you will love it.
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By Quiznor 2013-03-30 15:37:44
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@Lynx

I cant really say I've played a generic shooter recently,because I havent played a "new" fps in over a year. Sure I tested crysis 3 (only for benchmark reasons for my pc,and I didnt pay for it since I dont buy EA) because it is well documented that crysis games have terrible gameplay.I also tested out Dishonoured,and it looked ok but seemed like too much fps,not enough stealth. However,that walking dead game is not a generic shooter. Its a *** awful looking extremely subpar shooter. I've been playing games for over 20 years and my palette even within 1 genre is pretty refined. For example I can tell you that as much as the fanboys love to compare them,Call of Duty and Battlefield have no comparison whatsoever,because other than the view point (first person) they're entirely different games completely.

To me bioshock infinite's gameplay was average. There was no -real- incentive to use the vigors. They made the game marginally easier. At one point I realized I'd make it about 75% of the way through the game only using them when the game prompted me to. That sure as hell wasnt the case in bioshock 1.

I'll spoiler this next bit of gameplay mechanic for those that arent too far in,but lynx you seem like you've finished the game at least.

The (essentially) infinite supply of money/ammo/health/salts had me not worrying about much the entire,which took away alot for me either.

I should also throw this out there,that I'm used to hardcore gaming and my skills are pretty damn high,especially for fps games so maybe that was it.....

Quick tl;dr edit: I didnt dislike Bioshock Infinite,it was better than most fps I've played in the last few years in most aspects,but that isnt saying much.
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2013-03-30 16:01:22
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Quiznor said: »
To me bioshock infinite's gameplay was average. There was no -real- incentive to use the vigors.

Upgraded murder of crows + shockjock or devil's kiss was pretty lethal to groups of enemies.

Shock and crows also stunned patriots and handymans long enough that you could get to their weak points.

Upgraded bronco was also pretty useful in stunning large groups of enemies.

Possession was a little weak on regular enemies, but if you used it on turrets it was pretty powerful. Turrets hurt, and after using possession either the mobiles or turret ended up dead.

Charge and undertow showed up a little late in the game to be super useful in anything but flashy fighting, but meh.

Return to sender if nothing else let you charge enemies head on without dying. On regular enemies if you aimed the shot properly it would usually 1 shot them.

Quiznor said: »
I also tested out Dishonoured,and it looked ok but seemed like too much fps,not enough stealth.
If you wanted to play Dishonored like an FPS you could, but playing through the game nonlethally was all about stealth.
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By Quiznor 2013-03-30 16:05:36
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Cerberus.Eugene said: »
Quiznor said: »
To me bioshock infinite's gameplay was average. There was no -real- incentive to use the vigors.

Upgraded murder of crows + shockjock devil's kiss was pretty lethal to groups of enemies.

Shock and crows also stunned patriots and handymans long enough that you could get to their weak points.

Upgraded bronco was also pretty useful in stunning large groups of enemies.

Possession was a little weak on regular enemies, but if you used it on turrets it was pretty powerful. Turrets hurt, and after using possession at least the mobiles ended up dead.




Charge and undertow showed up a little late to be super useful in anything but flashy fighting, but meh.

Return to sender if nothing else let you charge enemies head on without dying.

That may be,I'm just saying I personally had no problems fighting basically anything. The handymen really only start appearing towards the end more,and my hand cannon made them,and pretty much everything else history. My only use for vigors really came towards the end of the game,after I noticed I'd barely used them,so I started using undertow on handymen. Gives a perfect chance for 2-3 heart shots in 1 go when you drag them towards you

edit: And yeah I uprgaded them as I played through,even if I didnt use them. Needed something to do with that infinite money after all.....

@ Dishonoured part

I still felt like doing everything stealthily came through like an fps. For example Deus Ex Human Revolution DIDNT feel like an fps,and I stealthed (its a real word for this purpose anyways!) my way through 90%+ of the game
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2013-03-30 16:07:31
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Yeah I don't think you were playing on hard and standing toe to toe with handymans and patriots.
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By Quiznor 2013-03-30 16:09:03
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Cerberus.Eugene said: »
Yeah I don't think you were playing on hard and standing toe to toe with handymans and patriots.

Its about tactics and strategy. Its not like I stood there shooting them in the non-weakpoints without moving.

Every single patriot/handyman part that comes to mind atm has a huge amount of location tactics involved to your advantage
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2013-03-30 16:09:44
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Right, and vigors don't come into that.
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By Quiznor 2013-03-30 16:10:20
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Cerberus.Eugene said: »
Right, and vigors don't come into that.

I'm not saying that,but I rarely felt the NEED to use one outside of something I couldnt handle otherwise

Look at what I said about undertow
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2013-03-30 16:12:51
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I don't know man, your experience with the game seems completely incompatible with the view I had. I don't see it as a perfect game, but what you're claiming seems too far off the mark to make sense.

I don't see how you can claim the game was too easy on hard just using cover against the enemies. IME, Patriots were hard to kill without using vigors because they tracked you well enough without stuns to be able to keep their backs away from you, and they'd shred you on hard if you went face to face.

Ammo and money weren't infinite, some weapons had better dmg/shot ratio with large enough ammo piles, others were much weaker in that regard.
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