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Gaddafi killed as Libya's revolt claims hometown
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By Ragnarok.Hevans 2011-10-20 16:38:25
Wow, can't you people just be happy that you haven't had to endure the horrors that most of the world faces daily? People have devoted their lives to figuring out how to handle foreign problems yet you, in your 24 glorious years on this planet, can point out every mistake that has been made. Sure.
you're right. no one should point out the mistakes elected officials make. nevar evar evar. we shouldn't voice our concern for our world. we should just go to work and let the big boys handle everything. i feel like a weight has been lifted off my chest.
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By slipispsycho 2011-10-20 16:40:58
Thats a mighty flippant admission of deceit. Your open and enthusiastic misrepresentation of the facts on even something as fundamental as your own nationality denotes a severe predisposition towards lying and deception in general. Even if I agreed with your what you say, the statement from your mouth would be meaningless as it would be coming from a prevaricator and instigator.
Trying waaaaaaaay too hard.
Good to see you too Art, while I'm happy that you still make some effort to troll me, your response is too broad to actually discern exactly what in my post you take objection too? Not everyone who opposes you or your views on the internet is a troll... Do you even know what a troll really is? Without looking it up, describe what one is.
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By Caitsith.Zefiris 2011-10-20 16:42:05
Wow, can't you people just be happy that you haven't had to endure the horrors that most of the world faces daily? People have devoted their lives to figuring out how to handle foreign problems yet you, in your 24 glorious years on this planet, can point out every mistake that has been made. Sure.
you're right. no one should point out the mistakes elected officials make. nevar evar evar. we shouldn't voice our concern for our world. we should just go to work and let the big boys handle everything. i feel like a weight has been lifted off my chest. That's exactly what I said. Good job. Maybe you could pick up a book instead of putting words in other people's mouths.
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By Odin.Eikechi 2011-10-20 16:46:55
Good to see you too Art, while I'm happy that you still make some effort to troll me, your response is too broad to actually discern exactly what in my post you take objection too?
My guess is the entire thing. Are you seriously mad at Kal for having a Swiss (i think) flag by his name, and living in the US? Are you unhinged? He never said "speaking as a European outsider...". Nor has he ever eluded to living in Switzerland...
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By Ragnarok.Hevans 2011-10-20 16:50:56
Wow, can't you people just be happy that you haven't had to endure the horrors that most of the world faces daily? People have devoted their lives to figuring out how to handle foreign problems yet you, in your 24 glorious years on this planet, can point out every mistake that has been made. Sure.
you're right. no one should point out the mistakes elected officials make. nevar evar evar. we shouldn't voice our concern for our world. we should just go to work and let the big boys handle everything. i feel like a weight has been lifted off my chest. That's exactly what I said. Good job. Maybe you could pick up a book instead of putting words in other people's mouths.
really? to me your statement sounded more like condemning people for finding problems with the decisions politicians made. maybe i'm the only one reading it that way. just because i don't have to live the horrors many people around the world face doesn't mean i can't criticize the failed plans and policies that generated the situation we're in now. since i can't seem to figure out what you're argument is, please elaborate on what you meant.
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By Sylph.Cossack 2011-10-20 16:52:40
Its the fact that your entire rant is based on something that measures 16px × 11px. Its hilariously stupid.
I'm not upset at all over the icon, and tbh I'm not really slighted over the trivial deception in reguards to it. Sadly, to my own detriment, I was unable to refrain from taking objection to his overt gasconade in lieu of legitimate defense of his position.
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I don't honestly think you're a retard or a child either, just riding his junk for all its worth. Good job.
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By Ramuh.Krizz 2011-10-20 16:53:06
By Haist 2011-10-20 16:55:22
I find it funny how Obama issues 100 combat ready troops to aid the LRA and 3-4 days later Gaddafi ends up dead. And for the people who say the US wasn't in Africa..... http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2011/10/20111014174712102972.html
By Haist 2011-10-20 16:55:59
Sorry they weren't aiding.
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By Sylph.Cossack 2011-10-20 17:00:20
Yes, yes Obama has done a great job at pulling us out of foreign conflict.
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By Caitsith.Zefiris 2011-10-20 17:07:24
Wow, can't you people just be happy that you haven't had to endure the horrors that most of the world faces daily? People have devoted their lives to figuring out how to handle foreign problems yet you, in your 24 glorious years on this planet, can point out every mistake that has been made. Sure.
you're right. no one should point out the mistakes elected officials make. nevar evar evar. we shouldn't voice our concern for our world. we should just go to work and let the big boys handle everything. i feel like a weight has been lifted off my chest. That's exactly what I said. Good job. Maybe you could pick up a book instead of putting words in other people's mouths.
really? to me your statement sounded more like condemning people for finding problems with the decisions politicians made. maybe i'm the only one reading it that way. just because i don't have to live the horrors many people around the world face doesn't mean i can't criticize the failed plans and policies that generated the situation we're in now. since i can't seem to figure out what you're argument is, please elaborate on what you meant. To be brief, there is no one way to handle a situation. Nobody knows the proper way to fix the world's problems, or they would be gone already. An action may look like a mistake to you, may be seen as correct to someone with a different perspective. The internet breeds an arrogance in people that is pretty revolting to read most of the time, and I thought people might benefit from another perspective.
I was never talking about criticizing elected officials as most of them seek council from people who are experts in their field before making decisions. If you want to disagree with them, do it with your vote. I doubt they will see your words here. Bickering amongst the internet folk is a great way to waste time. :\
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By Ragnarok.Hevans 2011-10-20 17:36:14
Wow, can't you people just be happy that you haven't had to endure the horrors that most of the world faces daily? People have devoted their lives to figuring out how to handle foreign problems yet you, in your 24 glorious years on this planet, can point out every mistake that has been made. Sure.
you're right. no one should point out the mistakes elected officials make. nevar evar evar. we shouldn't voice our concern for our world. we should just go to work and let the big boys handle everything. i feel like a weight has been lifted off my chest. That's exactly what I said. Good job. Maybe you could pick up a book instead of putting words in other people's mouths.
really? to me your statement sounded more like condemning people for finding problems with the decisions politicians made. maybe i'm the only one reading it that way. just because i don't have to live the horrors many people around the world face doesn't mean i can't criticize the failed plans and policies that generated the situation we're in now. since i can't seem to figure out what you're argument is, please elaborate on what you meant. To be brief, there is no one way to handle a situation. Nobody knows the proper way to fix the world's problems, or they would be gone already. An action may look like a mistake to you, may be seen as correct to someone with a different perspective. The internet breeds an arrogance in people that is pretty revolting to read most of the time, and I thought people might benefit from another perspective.
I was never talking about criticizing elected officials as most of them seek council from people who are experts in their field before making decisions. If you want to disagree with them, do it with your vote. I doubt they will see your words here. Bickering amongst the internet folk is a great way to waste time. :\
maybe it's just me but i have no clue wtf you're saying. every post seems to try and make a different point. first you say the people should be happy they don't have to live through the worst horrors and not nitpick the decisions the people in power make. then you concede that wrong decisions have been made. just because a politicians goes to an "expert in their field" for advice doesn't absolve the politician from making a decision. the fact is that a lot of american foreign policy in the past wasn't all about promoting democracy. it was about promoting american economical interests. you say you're just offering an alternative opinion but all you did was criticize those "24 year olds" for offering theirs.
and btw, i do vote. i don't expect politicians to read these forums. was just dropping a knowledge bomb on ya dawg.
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By Ragnarok.Anye 2011-10-20 17:45:02
I think Zefi's referring to this, for the most part:
To me, the problem is that we've fostered a culture where everyone is an expert, and yet won't listen to experts.
We don't trust biologists to talk about biology, climatologists to talk about climate, astrophysicists to talk about astrophysics, or economists to talk about economics. We dismiss statistics as lies. We view all expert information as biased. We've jettisoned everyone with any informed opinion as a member of the "elite," and the elite are not to be trusted.
We've become so conceited, we think the average person has enough expertise and knowledge to find simple solutions for every problem, despite the fact most of us are impossibly under-educated and arrogantly proud of that fact. And we won't look to anyone other than ourselves for answers, because we believe we occupy a special, pseudo-religious Mr. Rogers style "we're special" place in the world, where none of the experiences or history of other countries could possibly have any bearing on our own.
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By Bahamut.Serj 2011-10-20 17:50:01
I think Zefi's referring to this, for the most part:
To me, the problem is that we've fostered a culture where everyone is an expert, and yet won't listen to experts.
We don't trust biologists to talk about biology, climatologists to talk about climate, astrophysicists to talk about astrophysics, or economists to talk about economics. We dismiss statistics as lies. We view all expert information as biased. We've jettisoned everyone with any informed opinion as a member of the "elite," and the elite are not to be trusted.
We've become so conceited, we think the average person has enough expertise and knowledge to find simple solutions for every problem, despite the fact most of us are impossibly under-educated and arrogantly proud of that fact. And we won't look to anyone other than ourselves for answers, because we believe we occupy a special, pseudo-religious Mr. Rogers style "we're special" place in the world, where none of the experiences or history of other countries could possibly have any bearing on our own.
I love you Anye! I was looking for that XD
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By Ragnarok.Hevans 2011-10-20 17:57:50
I think Zefi's referring to this, for the most part:
To me, the problem is that we've fostered a culture where everyone is an expert, and yet won't listen to experts.
We don't trust biologists to talk about biology, climatologists to talk about climate, astrophysicists to talk about astrophysics, or economists to talk about economics. We dismiss statistics as lies. We view all expert information as biased. We've jettisoned everyone with any informed opinion as a member of the "elite," and the elite are not to be trusted.
We've become so conceited, we think the average person has enough expertise and knowledge to find simple solutions for every problem, despite the fact most of us are impossibly under-educated and arrogantly proud of that fact. And we won't look to anyone other than ourselves for answers, because we believe we occupy a special, pseudo-religious Mr. Rogers style "we're special" place in the world, where none of the experiences or history of other countries could possibly have any bearing on our own.
why don't i see that anywhere in the thread @.@? and how come he didn't quote it!? was right after my post so meh bad.
By slipispsycho 2011-10-20 18:01:04
Because that's not from this thread..
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By Caitsith.Zefiris 2011-10-20 18:01:15
Wow, can't you people just be happy that you haven't had to endure the horrors that most of the world faces daily? People have devoted their lives to figuring out how to handle foreign problems yet you, in your 24 glorious years on this planet, can point out every mistake that has been made. Sure.
you're right. no one should point out the mistakes elected officials make. nevar evar evar. we shouldn't voice our concern for our world. we should just go to work and let the big boys handle everything. i feel like a weight has been lifted off my chest. That's exactly what I said. Good job. Maybe you could pick up a book instead of putting words in other people's mouths.
really? to me your statement sounded more like condemning people for finding problems with the decisions politicians made. maybe i'm the only one reading it that way. just because i don't have to live the horrors many people around the world face doesn't mean i can't criticize the failed plans and policies that generated the situation we're in now. since i can't seem to figure out what you're argument is, please elaborate on what you meant. To be brief, there is no one way to handle a situation. Nobody knows the proper way to fix the world's problems, or they would be gone already. An action may look like a mistake to you, may be seen as correct to someone with a different perspective. The internet breeds an arrogance in people that is pretty revolting to read most of the time, and I thought people might benefit from another perspective.
I was never talking about criticizing elected officials as most of them seek council from people who are experts in their field before making decisions. If you want to disagree with them, do it with your vote. I doubt they will see your words here. Bickering amongst the internet folk is a great way to waste time. :\
maybe it's just me but i have no clue wtf you're saying. every post seems to try and make a different point. first you say the people should be happy they don't have to live through the worst horrors and not nitpick the decisions the people in power make. then you concede that wrong decisions have been made. just because a politicians goes to an "expert in their field" for advice doesn't absolve the politician from making a decision. the fact is that a lot of american foreign policy in the past wasn't all about promoting democracy. it was about promoting american economical interests. you say you're just offering an alternative opinion but all you did was criticize those "24 year olds" for offering theirs.
and btw, i do vote. i don't expect politicians to read these forums. was just dropping a knowledge bomb on ya dawg. Wow, can't you people just be happy that you haven't had to endure the horrors that most of the world faces daily? People have devoted their lives to figuring out how to handle foreign problems yet you, in your 24 glorious years on this planet, can point out every mistake that has been made. Sure.
you're right. no one should point out the mistakes elected officials make. nevar evar evar. we shouldn't voice our concern for our world. we should just go to work and let the big boys handle everything. i feel like a weight has been lifted off my chest. That's exactly what I said. Good job. Maybe you could pick up a book instead of putting words in other people's mouths.
really? to me your statement sounded more like condemning people for finding problems with the decisions politicians made. maybe i'm the only one reading it that way. just because i don't have to live the horrors many people around the world face doesn't mean i can't criticize the failed plans and policies that generated the situation we're in now. since i can't seem to figure out what you're argument is, please elaborate on what you meant. To be brief, there is no one way to handle a situation. Nobody knows the proper way to fix the world's problems, or they would be gone already. An action may look like a mistake to you, may be seen as correct to someone with a different perspective. The internet breeds an arrogance in people that is pretty revolting to read most of the time, and I thought people might benefit from another perspective.
I was never talking about criticizing elected officials as most of them seek council from people who are experts in their field before making decisions. If you want to disagree with them, do it with your vote. I doubt they will see your words here. Bickering amongst the internet folk is a great way to waste time. :\
maybe it's just me but i have no clue wtf you're saying. every post seems to try and make a different point. first you say the people should be happy they don't have to live through the worst horrors and not nitpick the decisions the people in power make. then you concede that wrong decisions have been made. just because a politicians goes to an "expert in their field" for advice doesn't absolve the politician from making a decision. the fact is that a lot of american foreign policy in the past wasn't all about promoting democracy. it was about promoting american economical interests. you say you're just offering an alternative opinion but all you did was criticize those "24 year olds" for offering theirs.
and btw, i do vote. i don't expect politicians to read these forums. was just dropping a knowledge bomb on ya dawg.
Well, I tried my best to explain. I'm not against opinion. We're fortunate enough to be able to discuss ours with whoever we wish, and that's a wonderful thing. I just think it's repulsive that people are so arrogant to believe that their collective thoughts are so superior to others'... to the point where no discussion occurs at all. But, that's just my opinion. ;)
Again, I never mentioned elected officials in my first post. Finally, if you want to call me a dog, get it right. I'm a ***.
Edit: That's a great quote, Anye. It's pretty similar to what I've been getting at. I believe I remember when he made that post. It was a while ago if I'm not mistaken. XD
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By Ragnarok.Hevans 2011-10-20 18:03:49
i never called you a dog!
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By Carbuncle.Flionheart 2011-10-20 18:05:28
Thats a mighty flippant admission of deceit. Your open and enthusiastic misrepresentation of the facts on even something as fundamental as your own nationality denotes a severe predisposition towards lying and deception in general. Even if I agreed with your what you say, the statement from your mouth would be meaningless as it would be coming from a prevaricator and instigator.
Stop trying to act smart.
It's not fooling anyone. Elongating a sentence into a paragraph isn't a clever thing to do.
I change my flag often because I like other countries, that doesn't make me a liar.
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By Carbuncle.Flionheart 2011-10-20 18:07:11
Wow, can't you people just be happy that you haven't had to endure the horrors that most of the world faces daily? People have devoted their lives to figuring out how to handle foreign problems yet you, in your 24 glorious years on this planet, can point out every mistake that has been made. Sure.
you're right. no one should point out the mistakes elected officials make. nevar evar evar. we shouldn't voice our concern for our world. we should just go to work and let the big boys handle everything. i feel like a weight has been lifted off my chest. That's exactly what I said. Good job. Maybe you could pick up a book instead of putting words in other people's mouths.
really? to me your statement sounded more like condemning people for finding problems with the decisions politicians made. maybe i'm the only one reading it that way. just because i don't have to live the horrors many people around the world face doesn't mean i can't criticize the failed plans and policies that generated the situation we're in now. since i can't seem to figure out what you're argument is, please elaborate on what you meant. To be brief, there is no one way to handle a situation. Nobody knows the proper way to fix the world's problems, or they would be gone already. An action may look like a mistake to you, may be seen as correct to someone with a different perspective. The internet breeds an arrogance in people that is pretty revolting to read most of the time, and I thought people might benefit from another perspective.
I was never talking about criticizing elected officials as most of them seek council from people who are experts in their field before making decisions. If you want to disagree with them, do it with your vote. I doubt they will see your words here. Bickering amongst the internet folk is a great way to waste time. :\
maybe it's just me but i have no clue wtf you're saying. every post seems to try and make a different point. first you say the people should be happy they don't have to live through the worst horrors and not nitpick the decisions the people in power make. then you concede that wrong decisions have been made. just because a politicians goes to an "expert in their field" for advice doesn't absolve the politician from making a decision. the fact is that a lot of american foreign policy in the past wasn't all about promoting democracy. it was about promoting american economical interests. you say you're just offering an alternative opinion but all you did was criticize those "24 year olds" for offering theirs.
and btw, i do vote. i don't expect politicians to read these forums. was just dropping a knowledge bomb on ya dawg. Wow, can't you people just be happy that you haven't had to endure the horrors that most of the world faces daily? People have devoted their lives to figuring out how to handle foreign problems yet you, in your 24 glorious years on this planet, can point out every mistake that has been made. Sure.
you're right. no one should point out the mistakes elected officials make. nevar evar evar. we shouldn't voice our concern for our world. we should just go to work and let the big boys handle everything. i feel like a weight has been lifted off my chest. That's exactly what I said. Good job. Maybe you could pick up a book instead of putting words in other people's mouths.
really? to me your statement sounded more like condemning people for finding problems with the decisions politicians made. maybe i'm the only one reading it that way. just because i don't have to live the horrors many people around the world face doesn't mean i can't criticize the failed plans and policies that generated the situation we're in now. since i can't seem to figure out what you're argument is, please elaborate on what you meant. To be brief, there is no one way to handle a situation. Nobody knows the proper way to fix the world's problems, or they would be gone already. An action may look like a mistake to you, may be seen as correct to someone with a different perspective. The internet breeds an arrogance in people that is pretty revolting to read most of the time, and I thought people might benefit from another perspective.
I was never talking about criticizing elected officials as most of them seek council from people who are experts in their field before making decisions. If you want to disagree with them, do it with your vote. I doubt they will see your words here. Bickering amongst the internet folk is a great way to waste time. :\
maybe it's just me but i have no clue wtf you're saying. every post seems to try and make a different point. first you say the people should be happy they don't have to live through the worst horrors and not nitpick the decisions the people in power make. then you concede that wrong decisions have been made. just because a politicians goes to an "expert in their field" for advice doesn't absolve the politician from making a decision. the fact is that a lot of american foreign policy in the past wasn't all about promoting democracy. it was about promoting american economical interests. you say you're just offering an alternative opinion but all you did was criticize those "24 year olds" for offering theirs.
and btw, i do vote. i don't expect politicians to read these forums. was just dropping a knowledge bomb on ya dawg.
Well, I tried my best to explain. I'm not against opinion. We're fortunate enough to be able to discuss ours with whoever we wish, and that's a wonderful thing. I just think it's repulsive that people are so arrogant to believe that their collective thoughts are so superior to others'... to the point where no discussion occurs at all. But, that's just my opinion. ;)
Again, I never mentioned elected officials in my first post. Finally, if you want to call me a dog, get it right. I'm a ***.
Edit: That's a great quote, Anye. It's pretty similar to what I've been getting at. I believe I remember when he made that post. It was a while ago if I'm not mistaken. XD
You have to remember that If Jaerik says something it's 100% right. Regardless of what position you sit at.
You can disagree with an admin in a highly subjective topic people.
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By Carbuncle.Joeywheeler 2011-10-20 18:07:33
I think the grammatical errors are proof enough.
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By Caitsith.Zefiris 2011-10-20 18:09:10
I think you're being sarcastic, Flion, but I'm not totally sure. :S
Good to see you again, in a rather depressing thread. :(
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By Carbuncle.Flionheart 2011-10-20 18:10:40
I think you're being sarcastic, Flion, but I'm not totally sure. :S
Good to see you again, in a rather depressing thread. :(
Not being sarcastic to you Zef :) Just pointing out that people disagree with you because you don't post too often, but if Jaerik or a mod were to say something it's totally +19'd and agreed with.
How are you doing? I haven't seen you in a while D:
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2011-10-20 18:12:01
I think Zefi's referring to this, for the most part:
To me, the problem is that we've fostered a culture where everyone is an expert, and yet won't listen to experts.
We don't trust biologists to talk about biology, climatologists to talk about climate, astrophysicists to talk about astrophysics, or economists to talk about economics. We dismiss statistics as lies. We view all expert information as biased. We've jettisoned everyone with any informed opinion as a member of the "elite," and the elite are not to be trusted.
We've become so conceited, we think the average person has enough expertise and knowledge to find simple solutions for every problem, despite the fact most of us are impossibly under-educated and arrogantly proud of that fact. And we won't look to anyone other than ourselves for answers, because we believe we occupy a special, pseudo-religious Mr. Rogers style "we're special" place in the world, where none of the experiences or history of other countries could possibly have any bearing on our own.
I'd say in today's world it's only natural to hesitate trusting biologists, astrophysicists, and economists with their published papers and statistics. With all the cash funneling for expected results, it's not hard to buy an answer you want to hear. I'll stand behind most University discoveries(ones that weren't backed by a specific funder), but as far as independent results, I'll remain skeptical.
As far as the last paragraph, I'd agree.
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By Ragnarok.Anye 2011-10-20 18:12:13
Carbuncle.Flionheart said: »I think you're being sarcastic, Flion, but I'm not totally sure. :S
Good to see you again, in a rather depressing thread. :(
Not being sarcastic to you Zef :) Just pointing out that people disagree with you because you don't post too often, but if Jaerik or a mod were to say something it's totally +19'd and agreed with.
How are you doing? I haven't seen you in a while D: Hey ; ; people used to like my posts before I was a mod! :<
...before we had the rating system, too, so... I can't prove it. ._.
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By Carbuncle.Flionheart 2011-10-20 18:13:43
Carbuncle.Flionheart said: »I think you're being sarcastic, Flion, but I'm not totally sure. :S
Good to see you again, in a rather depressing thread. :(
Not being sarcastic to you Zef :) Just pointing out that people disagree with you because you don't post too often, but if Jaerik or a mod were to say something it's totally +19'd and agreed with.
How are you doing? I haven't seen you in a while D: Hey ; ; people used to like my posts before I was a mod! :<
...before we had the rating system, too, so... I can't prove it. ._.
Not to you specifically Anye :D You are a cool guy
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By Ragnarok.Anye 2011-10-20 18:14:50
D'aw, shucks.
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By Caitsith.Zefiris 2011-10-20 18:14:54
Carbuncle.Flionheart said: »I think you're being sarcastic, Flion, but I'm not totally sure. :S
Good to see you again, in a rather depressing thread. :(
Not being sarcastic to you Zef :) Just pointing out that people disagree with you because you don't post too often, but if Jaerik or a mod were to say something it's totally +19'd and agreed with.
How are you doing? I haven't seen you in a while D: Yeah, I'm busy with school so I don't post any more. Plus I quit this game so it's kinda weird to keep coming back and I got banned from the LOLpics thread which made me sad. :(
I just get sick of people acting omnipotent!
Oh yeah, trying to get a job and how are you? :3
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By Asura.Daleterrence 2011-10-20 18:19:39
I just get sick of people acting omnipotent!
Sup. I'm a god, making a cameo in your borderline political thread.
BAI GUIZ.
(Couldn't resist, forgive me. =3)
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By Caitsith.Zefiris 2011-10-20 18:24:25
Asura.Daleterrence said: »I just get sick of people acting omnipotent!
Sup. I'm a god, making a cameo in your borderline political thread.
BAI GUIZ.
(Couldn't resist, forgive me. =3)
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Gaddafi killed as Libya's revolt claims hometown
(Reuters) - Muammar Gaddafi was killed on Thursday as Libya's new leaders declared they had overrun the last bastion of his long rule, sparking wild celebrations that eight months of war may finally be over.
Details of the death near Sirte of the fallen strongman were hazy but it was announced by several officials of the National Transitional Council (NTC) and backed up by a photograph of a bloodied face ringed by familiar, Gaddafi-style curly hair.
"He was killed in an attack by the fighters. There is footage of that," the NTC's information minister, Mahmoud Shammam, told Reuters.
Western powers, who have backed the rebellion which took the capital Tripoli two months ago, said they were still checking. NATO said its aircraft fired on a convoy near Sirte earlier, but would not confirm reports that Gaddafi had been a passenger.
Several NTC fighters in Sirte said they had seen Gaddafi shot dead, though their accounts varied.
With a final declaration of the country's "liberation" from 42 years of one-man rule apparently imminent, and crowds firing in the air and dancing in the streets of Tripoli and Benghazi, Libyan television said NTC chairman Mustafa Abdel Jalil was about to address the nation.
The two months since the fall of Tripoli have tested the nerves of the motley alliance of anti-Gaddafi forces and their Western and Arab backers, who had begun to question the ability of the NTC forces to root out diehard Gaddafi loyalists in Sirte and a couple of other towns.
Officials said some of Gaddafi's entourage had been killed in the same incident, while his son Mo'tassim and other aides were taken prisoner. Another son, Saif -- long the heir-apparent -- was believed by the NTC to be still at large, possibly in the immense southern deserts of the Libyan Sahara.
ARAB SPRING
The death of Gaddafi himself became perhaps the most dramatic development since the Arab Spring revolts that have unseated rulers in neighboring Tunisia and Egypt and threaten the grip on power of the leaders of Syria and Yemen.
"He (Gaddafi) was also hit in his head," NTC official Abdel Majid Mlegta told Reuters. "There was a lot of firing against his group and he died."
Mlegta told Reuters earlier that Gaddafi, who was in his late 60s, was captured and wounded in both legs at dawn on Thursday as he tried to flee in a convoy which NATO warplanes attacked. He said he had been taken away by an ambulance.
An NTC fighter in Sirte said he had seen Gaddafi shot after he was cornered and captured in a tunnel near a roadway.
The capture of Sirte means Libya's ruling NTC should now begin the task of forging a new democratic system which it had said it would get under way after the city, Gaddafi's hometown rebuilt as a showpiece for his rule, had fallen.
As potentially vast revenues from oil and gas begin to roll in again, Libya's six million people, scattered in towns spread across wide deserts, face a major task in organizing a new system of government that can allocate resources across long-competing tribal, ethnic and regional divisions.
Gaddafi, wanted by the International Criminal Court on charges of ordering the killing of civilians, was toppled by rebel forces on August 23, a week short of the 42nd anniversary of the military coup which brought him to power in 1969.
NTC fighters hoisted the red, black and green national flag above a large utilities building in the center of a newly-captured Sirte neighborhood and celebratory gunfire broke out among their ecstatic and relieved comrades.
Hundreds of NTC troops had surrounded the Mediterranean coastal town for weeks in a chaotic struggle that killed and wounded scores of the besieging forces and an unknown number of defenders.
NTC fighters said there were a large number of corpses inside the last redoubts of the Gaddafi troops. It was not immediately possible to verify that information.
(Writing by Jon Hemming, William Maclean and Alastair Macdonald; Editing by David Stamp)
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