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Gaddafi killed as Libya's revolt claims hometown
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By Bahamut.Wolfjorg 2011-10-20 18:31:28
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By Phoenix.Fredjan 2011-10-20 18:34:50
Quote: No viewable posts on this page I almost thought this thread had been nuked. D:
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By Ragnarok.Corres 2011-10-20 18:36:20
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By Caitsith.Zefiris 2011-10-20 18:36:26
Quote: No viewable posts on this page I almost thought this thread had been nuked. D: It should be, there are like 3 posts that are on topic. >.>
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By Sylph.Cossack 2011-10-20 19:40:20
Carbuncle.Flionheart said: »Stop trying to act smart.
It's not fooling anyone. Elongating a sentence into a paragraph isn't a clever thing to do.
I change my flag often because I like other countries, that doesn't make me a liar.
Take your own advice pal. I don't see how attempting to use proper grammar, or proper sentence structure is objectionable. I don't like you, however I do atleast show you and our fellow posters enough respect to command the English language to the best of my ability. Whats your excuse Flion?
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By Carbuncle.Flionheart 2011-10-20 20:07:53
Carbuncle.Flionheart said: »Stop trying to act smart.
It's not fooling anyone. Elongating a sentence into a paragraph isn't a clever thing to do.
I change my flag often because I like other countries, that doesn't make me a liar.
Take your own advice pal. I don't see how attempting to use proper grammar, or proper sentence structure is objectionable. I don't like you, however I do atleast show you and our fellow posters enough respect to command the English language to the best of my ability. Whats your excuse Flion?
There's a difference between using the English language correctly and using a load of ostentatious and unnecessary (See what I did there?) words to make a simple point. (which is flawed anyway)
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By Sylph.Cossack 2011-10-20 21:14:50
I have to disagree with you sir, the better I can communicate my point, the more likely you are to discern its meaning, so with respect to your limited ability I take extra caution to speak clearly and concisely. I'm aware that a number of our fellow posters think I'm a ***, I have zero intention rebutting that sentiment, you have however, gone to great lengths say as much as possible with contributing as little content as possible, then have the nerve to call others pompous. Remove the plank from your own eye before you trouble me over the splinter in mine.
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By slipispsycho 2011-10-20 21:20:58
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By Carbuncle.Flionheart 2011-10-20 21:41:51
I cover up my intellectual weakness with Websters online dictionary
Brool story co.
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By Sylph.Cossack 2011-10-20 22:00:25
Is this third grade "no you are" defense the best you have to offer?
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2011-10-20 22:04:55
Can we lock this thread now?
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By Carbuncle.Snoochybooch 2011-10-20 22:10:05
I have to disagree with you sir, the better I can communicate my point, the more likely you are to discern its meaning, so with respect to your limited ability I take extra caution to speak clearly and concisely. I'm aware that a number of our fellow posters think I'm a ***, I have zero intention rebutting that sentiment, you have however, gone to great lengths say as much as possible with contributing as little content as possible, then have the nerve to call others pompous. Remove the plank from your own eye before you trouble me over the splinter in mine.
Yea but we like Flion here.
/relurk
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By Fenrir.Skadoosh 2011-10-20 22:11:53
Carbuncle.Snoochybooch said: »Yea but some of us like Flion here. ftfy
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By Carbuncle.Snoochybooch 2011-10-20 22:12:23
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By Asura.Psubond 2011-10-20 22:23:29
i'm sure the Iranians are pretty happy about this since now they can spread their influence into another country and create another puppet state.
arab spring may be about democracy in theory but all that is going to happen is iran will spread its influence and eventually become a super power then we'll have some serious issues because how do you stop someone who doesn't value their own lives let alone their population's?
By slipispsycho 2011-10-20 22:26:28
i'm sure the Iranians are pretty happy about this since now they can spread their influence into another country and create another puppet state.
arab spring may be about democracy in theory but all that is going to happen is iran will spread its influence and eventually become a super power then we'll have some serious issues because how do you stop someone who doesn't value their own lives let alone their population's? Give them internet but make the only websites they can access lolcats and ***..
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By Carbuncle.Flionheart 2011-10-20 22:29:17
Is this third grade "no you are" defense the best you have to offer?
Simple retorts for simple minds.
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By Carbuncle.Flionheart 2011-10-20 22:29:30
Carbuncle.Snoochybooch said: »I have to disagree with you sir, the better I can communicate my point, the more likely you are to discern its meaning, so with respect to your limited ability I take extra caution to speak clearly and concisely. I'm aware that a number of our fellow posters think I'm a ***, I have zero intention rebutting that sentiment, you have however, gone to great lengths say as much as possible with contributing as little content as possible, then have the nerve to call others pompous. Remove the plank from your own eye before you trouble me over the splinter in mine.
Yea but we like Flion here.
/relurk
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By Sylph.Cossack 2011-10-20 22:38:17
Well damn when are you two getting married. While I'm glad you've found that special man to complete your life, you still haven't made any recognizable point other then you're a immature jack ***, and we already knew that.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Pyroelf 2011-10-20 22:38:19
2011 and people still think they can win online arguments with rationalization...
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Hm... Cossak is still at it... Eh, takin all bets...
My money is on ~1 hour til topic bans begin, and another 5 until topic lock/delete!
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By Siren.Kalilla 2011-10-20 22:55:07
Everything you have said. I really hate conflict but this has been almost 3 pages of people conflicting against you for the past 5 hours, and honestly has derailed the entire topic and is now about people disagreeing with you. It really prevents any discussion that could possibly take place because everyone is too caught up with you, for whatever reason they have. If it was just one person disagreeing with you that would be one thing, but it isn't the case. I'm not really sure why you're still here, but even if you aren't at fault for derailing the thread (although your accusations against Kalyna started this whole problem, along with these:
Note the lack of red in your nations flag, then answer the question yourself. If you live in the US then why to you have a Ukranian flag over your nationality? Thats a mighty flippant admission of deceit. Your open and enthusiastic misrepresentation of the facts on even something as fundamental as your own nationality denotes a severe predisposition towards lying and deception in general. Even if I agreed with your what you say, the statement from your mouth would be meaningless as it would be coming from a prevaricator and instigator. Good to see you too Art, while I'm happy that you still make some effort to troll me, your response is too broad to actually discern exactly what in my post you take objection too? I'm not upset at all over the icon, and tbh I'm not really slighted over the trivial deception in reguards to it. Sadly, to my own detriment, I was unable to refrain from taking objection to his overt gasconade in lieu of legitimate defense of his position.
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I don't honestly think you're a retard or a child either, just riding his junk for all its worth. Good job. Yes, yes Obama has done a great job at pulling us out of foreign conflict. Take your own advice pal. I don't see how attempting to use proper grammar, or proper sentence structure is objectionable. I don't like you, however I do atleast show you and our fellow posters enough respect to command the English language to the best of my ability. Whats your excuse Flion? I have to disagree with you sir, the better I can communicate my point, the more likely you are to discern its meaning, so with respect to your limited ability I take extra caution to speak clearly and concisely. I'm aware that a number of our fellow posters think I'm a ***, I have zero intention rebutting that sentiment, you have however, gone to great lengths say as much as possible with contributing as little content as possible, then have the nerve to call others pompous. Remove the plank from your own eye before you trouble me over the splinter in mine. Is this third grade "no you are" defense the best you have to offer? Well damn when are you two getting married. While I'm glad you've found that special man to complete your life, you still haven't made any recognizable point other then you're a immature jack ***, and we already knew that. ) by you staying here you're fueling everyone to keep making comments against you and are the cause to why the topic is currently lost.
No matter what the topic is about if you are the cause of conflict the best thing to do is remove yourself from conversation. You have refused to and fought with other members to prevent any discussion.
I have to disagree with you sir, the better I can communicate my point, the more likely you are to discern its meaning, so with respect to your limited ability I take extra caution to speak clearly and concisely. I'm aware that a number of our fellow posters think I'm a ***, I have zero intention rebutting that sentiment, you have however, gone to great lengths say as much as possible with contributing as little content as possible, then have the nerve to call others pompous. Remove the plank from your own eye before you trouble me over the splinter in mine.
You accuse Flionheart of providing nothing to the discussion, yet you haven't either. You've done nothing but accuse others and argue through this entire discussion. I couldn't care any less who you dislike, there are ways to bypass their posts, and if you cannot have the self-control to ignore people that irk you the wrong way I would suggest you use these features that are in place for such cases.
I hope that discussion can take place, we aren't children.
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By Carbuncle.Flionheart 2011-10-20 22:57:56
Well damn when are you two getting married. While I'm glad you've found that special man to complete your life, you still haven't made any recognizable point other then you're a immature jack ***, and we already knew that.
I don't understand why you are using being gay as some kind of insult.
And by we you mean you.
And you probably can't recognise the point so I'll remake it:
Stop trying to use archaic and unnecessary language to get a basic point across, it doesn't make you look intelligent.
Especially when your entire point is "Your flag on an a gaming forum must be 100% accurate or you're a liar".
Regardless as to this little go between, your entire point is a stupid one to begin with.
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By slipispsycho 2011-10-20 22:58:27
This isn't the only thread Cossack has caused an entire derail where people become polarized against him..
If you ask me, he thrives on the conflict.
P.S. You can request topic bans (through PMs) when said person isn't contributing anything to the thread.
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By Asura.Domz 2011-10-20 22:59:41
i forget, isnt there some revolts beginning to organize in syria too?
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By Quetzalcoatl.Pyroelf 2011-10-20 23:01:53
i forget, isnt there some revolts beginning to organize in syria too?
To be fair, is there really a time when there isn't? :\
Quote: P.S. You can request topic bans (through PMs) when said person isn't contributing anything to the thread.
That would be riggin thins now wouldn't it? ;D
Unrelated sidenote, this site is SO not mobile device friendly...
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By Asura.Domz 2011-10-20 23:04:21
Quetzalcoatl.Pyroelf said: »i forget, isnt there some revolts beginning to organize in syria too? To be fair, is there really a time when there isn't? :\
meh true enough, was hoping itd chain react and eventually get to iran again but not fail like last time. the more that region of the world is fighting amongst itself the less we got to worry about asides from the crazed dictator every now and then.
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By Caitsith.Zefiris 2011-10-20 23:10:22
I think he(Cos) just got embarrassed about the flag thing and started spewing words for the hell of it.
Anyway, I find it hard to make comments on this topic because many of us probably know very little about Muammar Gaddafi, and it seems like this sort of chaos is becoming commonplace in our world. It's like, "Oh, another one got slaughtered today?"... However, I really hate how people parade around dead bodies for the world to see (thanks to the internet). It's not like Africa needed any more violence. :\
Who can be happy about his death? I honestly doubt Libya will be much better off after all this settles. Hopefully I can be proven wrong.
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By Carbuncle.Snoochybooch 2011-10-20 23:24:30
Everything you have said. I really hate conflict but this has been almost 3 pages of people conflicting against you for the past 5 hours, and honestly has derailed the entire topic about people disagreeing with you. It really prevents any discussion that could possibly take place because everyone is too caught up with you, for whatever reason they have. If it was just one person disagreeing with you that would be one thing, but it isn't the case. I'm not really sure why you're still here, but even if you aren't at fault for derailing the thread (although your accusations against Kalyna started this whole problem, along with these:
Note the lack of red in your nations flag, then answer the question yourself. If you live in the US then why to you have a Ukranian flag over your nationality? Thats a mighty flippant admission of deceit. Your open and enthusiastic misrepresentation of the facts on even something as fundamental as your own nationality denotes a severe predisposition towards lying and deception in general. Even if I agreed with your what you say, the statement from your mouth would be meaningless as it would be coming from a prevaricator and instigator. Good to see you too Art, while I'm happy that you still make some effort to troll me, your response is too broad to actually discern exactly what in my post you take objection too? I'm not upset at all over the icon, and tbh I'm not really slighted over the trivial deception in reguards to it. Sadly, to my own detriment, I was unable to refrain from taking objection to his overt gasconade in lieu of legitimate defense of his position.
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I don't honestly think you're a retard or a child either, just riding his junk for all its worth. Good job. Yes, yes Obama has done a great job at pulling us out of foreign conflict. Take your own advice pal. I don't see how attempting to use proper grammar, or proper sentence structure is objectionable. I don't like you, however I do atleast show you and our fellow posters enough respect to command the English language to the best of my ability. Whats your excuse Flion? I have to disagree with you sir, the better I can communicate my point, the more likely you are to discern its meaning, so with respect to your limited ability I take extra caution to speak clearly and concisely. I'm aware that a number of our fellow posters think I'm a ***, I have zero intention rebutting that sentiment, you have however, gone to great lengths say as much as possible with contributing as little content as possible, then have the nerve to call others pompous. Remove the plank from your own eye before you trouble me over the splinter in mine. Is this third grade "no you are" defense the best you have to offer? Well damn when are you two getting married. While I'm glad you've found that special man to complete your life, you still haven't made any recognizable point other then you're a immature jack ***, and we already knew that. ) by you staying here you're fueling everyone to keep making comments against you and are the cause to why the topic is currently lost.
No matter what the topic is about if you are the cause of conflict the best thing to do is remove yourself from conversation. You have refused to and fought with other members to prevent any discussion.
I have to disagree with you sir, the better I can communicate my point, the more likely you are to discern its meaning, so with respect to your limited ability I take extra caution to speak clearly and concisely. I'm aware that a number of our fellow posters think I'm a ***, I have zero intention rebutting that sentiment, you have however, gone to great lengths say as much as possible with contributing as little content as possible, then have the nerve to call others pompous. Remove the plank from your own eye before you trouble me over the splinter in mine.
You accuse Flionheart of providing nothing to the discussion, yet you haven't either. You've done nothing but accuse others and argue through this entire discussion. I couldn't care any less who you dislike, there are ways to bypass their posts, and if you cannot have the self-control to ignore people that irk you the wrong way I would suggest you use these features that are in place for such cases.
I hope that discussion can take place, we aren't children.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2011-10-20 23:52:46
Who can be happy about his death? I honestly doubt Libya will be much better off after all this settles. Hopefully I can be proven wrong.
I'm happy about it, 42 years of ruthless dictatorship brought to an end. People stood up for themselves and they won, good for them. Its been a rough year for villains, why not be happy? The Syrian leader is probably next, sucks to be him.
P.S. I think all the Americans here should change their flag to Ukraine, just to troll Cossack.
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2011-10-21 00:01:24
I'm not happy about his death. Or really anyone's. I enjoy psychology and real-life crime novels interest me as well. If someone's dead, they can't really talk about their life or reflect on the things they've done.
I would have liked to have read a book by a 42-year dictator and the kind of life he made for himself. I'd like to have read about the decisions he made that brought him to that point.
Now, there's just nothing. No stories but the ones told through others' eyes. Death doesn't give any answers but for the ones who've died.
Gaddafi killed as Libya's revolt claims hometown
(Reuters) - Muammar Gaddafi was killed on Thursday as Libya's new leaders declared they had overrun the last bastion of his long rule, sparking wild celebrations that eight months of war may finally be over.
Details of the death near Sirte of the fallen strongman were hazy but it was announced by several officials of the National Transitional Council (NTC) and backed up by a photograph of a bloodied face ringed by familiar, Gaddafi-style curly hair.
"He was killed in an attack by the fighters. There is footage of that," the NTC's information minister, Mahmoud Shammam, told Reuters.
Western powers, who have backed the rebellion which took the capital Tripoli two months ago, said they were still checking. NATO said its aircraft fired on a convoy near Sirte earlier, but would not confirm reports that Gaddafi had been a passenger.
Several NTC fighters in Sirte said they had seen Gaddafi shot dead, though their accounts varied.
With a final declaration of the country's "liberation" from 42 years of one-man rule apparently imminent, and crowds firing in the air and dancing in the streets of Tripoli and Benghazi, Libyan television said NTC chairman Mustafa Abdel Jalil was about to address the nation.
The two months since the fall of Tripoli have tested the nerves of the motley alliance of anti-Gaddafi forces and their Western and Arab backers, who had begun to question the ability of the NTC forces to root out diehard Gaddafi loyalists in Sirte and a couple of other towns.
Officials said some of Gaddafi's entourage had been killed in the same incident, while his son Mo'tassim and other aides were taken prisoner. Another son, Saif -- long the heir-apparent -- was believed by the NTC to be still at large, possibly in the immense southern deserts of the Libyan Sahara.
ARAB SPRING
The death of Gaddafi himself became perhaps the most dramatic development since the Arab Spring revolts that have unseated rulers in neighboring Tunisia and Egypt and threaten the grip on power of the leaders of Syria and Yemen.
"He (Gaddafi) was also hit in his head," NTC official Abdel Majid Mlegta told Reuters. "There was a lot of firing against his group and he died."
Mlegta told Reuters earlier that Gaddafi, who was in his late 60s, was captured and wounded in both legs at dawn on Thursday as he tried to flee in a convoy which NATO warplanes attacked. He said he had been taken away by an ambulance.
An NTC fighter in Sirte said he had seen Gaddafi shot after he was cornered and captured in a tunnel near a roadway.
The capture of Sirte means Libya's ruling NTC should now begin the task of forging a new democratic system which it had said it would get under way after the city, Gaddafi's hometown rebuilt as a showpiece for his rule, had fallen.
As potentially vast revenues from oil and gas begin to roll in again, Libya's six million people, scattered in towns spread across wide deserts, face a major task in organizing a new system of government that can allocate resources across long-competing tribal, ethnic and regional divisions.
Gaddafi, wanted by the International Criminal Court on charges of ordering the killing of civilians, was toppled by rebel forces on August 23, a week short of the 42nd anniversary of the military coup which brought him to power in 1969.
NTC fighters hoisted the red, black and green national flag above a large utilities building in the center of a newly-captured Sirte neighborhood and celebratory gunfire broke out among their ecstatic and relieved comrades.
Hundreds of NTC troops had surrounded the Mediterranean coastal town for weeks in a chaotic struggle that killed and wounded scores of the besieging forces and an unknown number of defenders.
NTC fighters said there were a large number of corpses inside the last redoubts of the Gaddafi troops. It was not immediately possible to verify that information.
(Writing by Jon Hemming, William Maclean and Alastair Macdonald; Editing by David Stamp)
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