Armageddon Vs. Gandiva

Ok, Personally i like to read through all posts on a topic before commenting, but i just had to stop halfway through. First of all, there are too many people talking down on Gandiva that dont even own one. I have lvl 90 Gandiva and let me tell you, Ive never seen a JR for 400ish.. even outside abys i average 2.5-3.5k on mobs and thats not including flying mobs. Second, people keep saying Gandiva is worse but your only argument is that its suicidal? Honestly thats horrible reason to shut down the idea of getting a weapon that hits 2k crit consistently with AM (Yes outside abys, think about what i do inside). Now would a Yoichi/Anni be a good option? Hell yeah, im working on Anni/Armg now. But simply turning down the idea of such a badass weapon because it does too much dmg is absurd. Please consider a better argument. Btw I have 5mil cruor after getting 90 gandiva(Hence working on Armg), so you dont need tons of brews to get the job done.

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Working on RNG atm and was wondering what kinda of TP / WS sets I should be looking for.

TP(grip/weapon/ammo depend on situation)


Wildfire(Kote are Crit+2 STP+4)


Jishnu's(Outside set shown, Kitty Pants are CritDmg+4 AGI+3)


This is what I was aiming for atm, anything different to add or change?

Edit: Both builds will be /SAM mainly.

At first glance I would recommend a different TP set for armageddon that allows you to 4hit. This will most likely require you to change around your WS set in order to build back up in three TP hits.

TP set with Armageddon should be a 4-hit. Here is mine:


Sveltesse Gouriz for Wildfire instead of Shadow Belt.

What would you advise to change around?

If I counted your STP right, your getting 34 a hit? Thats a 3-hit from 0 and a 4 hit after WS?

That is 27.0 a hit which is overkill on the 1st build but allows you to WS in 0stp and still get 100tp for the next time

Clearly I need some help with STP math on RNG ><

http://www.ffxicalculator.com/
Should be all you need.

Just want to hear thoughts on Gandiva/Annihilator. If you had both, when would you use one over the other. Would Gandiva be a better "zerg" weapon with Annihilator being the better choice for when you're in longer fights where hate is an issue?

annihilator all the way methinks. i'm pretty sure 5/5 last stand beats JR on anything that matters, plus triple damage proc :x

Calling blasphemy here. While i don't own an annihilator i do know my harrier +2 dusts those I've come across in VW (dunno who's still not done with rng in abyssea LOL rng gear rots easy). If they had an annihilator and didn't know how to use it (which i doubt) then that's a different story.

Annihilator can do 12-15k barrages =3

Best reason to make one.

Until there's a situation you can ensure your crit rate to 100% rate with Jishnu's, Last Stand with Annihilator in "zerg" situation(capping pDIF, eliminating as many white damage as possible and WS as often as possible) is your best weapon.

Those are some shitty rangers then. Last stand destroys jishnu's. The only advantage gandiva has is its higher chance for double damage proc, but it's not like you need to shoot more than once to get over 100 tp.

Chances are the rangers you came across were not using adaman bullets.

To contribute to the topic, armageddon is actually a great zerging weapon, considering last stand is modified by AGI. Both annihilator and armageddon have the same base damage @99. The only issue is you lose 30 accuracy (counting the +20 agi on armageddon) which could be the difference between red curry and pot-au-feu. I have both though and I plan to eventually upgrade armageddon too if heavy metal plates are ever easier to get (probably not :/).

Edit: you lose 30 ranged attack too.

If an Annihilator RNG is unable to beat a Harrier +2, they are clearly doing it wrong.

QFT

We should probably ask again what is the possible "zerg" situation he's asking about, and draw conclusion more precisely.
In VW, say Qilin, I can't see myself capping pDIF without outside buff (Chaos roll, Minuets). And the chance of that's gonna happen in any sensible VW group setup is ... almost 0? Then ratk from Annihilator will still have value. If defense down isn't guaranteed by other jobs (DRG angon, Tourbillion, etc), then there's merit to use Crossbow. And if one day they will open a lot more crit hit+ gear or raise the crit rate gained from dDEX, then Jishnu's could probably take over.

Oh I'm pretty sure annihilator will still beat armageddon in most situations. I was just saying that if someone didn't have an annihilator, armageddon is a pretty close second.

Not to mention Wildfire is fun! Last Stand aside, it's still a beastly weapon skill.

I'm sure I will get tormented for this, but I sometimes will mess around with a Wildfire build on RNG. Kinda fun to play with it in a non-Corsair role.

Oh yeah definitely. I use wildfire for any of the hahava-type NMs, rex (awesome on rex), and anything else that resists physical/piercing damage. It adds a lot of versatility to RNG by having it.

needs more trueflight ;; do you think trueflight with +30% ws dmg will match/beat wildfire?

Hmm. I did the math assuming 150 AGI vs a mob with 90 INT, and even @300 tp trueflight still doesn't beat wildfire. I did the math with the appropriate staves equipped.

However, do you know if the occasionally deals double or triple damage can proc on weapon skills? Level 3 aftermath "occasionally attacks twice or thrice" does proc on weaponskills, so I'm wondering if xbow's level 3 aftermath does as well.

dunno yet. empy doesnt, so it might not, but then other mythics do, so it might, but then, trueflight is magical so who knows :x

thats even with the +30% trueflight damage? what about 180 agi?

i mean, is it close enough that they're about equal?

If the cor is using wizards roll...thats killing their dps lol

The higher the AGI, the more it favors wildfire over trueflight. With 180 AGI you're looking at about a 126 damage difference between the weapon skills, so it's not too bad. I factored in the +30% damage.

Edit: With 150 AGI, it's exactly 100 damage difference.

meh 126 damage is nothing. i could pick up the extra in tp no problem!

Speaking as a Anni user... You need to take in account where you get your ammo. Bullets are always more difficult to find on my server than arrows so make sure you have some way to make them yourself. You can't be the best if you can't use best ammo full time.

I hate to be the bearer of bad new, but it definitely seems like AM3 DOES NOT proc on weapon skills. It might on barrage, I didn't mess with that.

Melee mythic WS pseudo multi-hit doesn't proc in WS either, does it?