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The Beast Within -- A Guide to Blue Mage
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By Asura.Azagarth 2016-04-04 18:22:59
I wont ever have the gil for the HQ lol.... so comparing that isnt very good idea for me :D
Hiya floppy! Ya you got me thinking about it for sure haha, I don't want to be no slouch! I will be doing ZM asap btw Im a new returned player so I have to get the KI to enter quiscksand myself, etc... pain in the butt and the reason I havent finished savage blade yet either ><; However yesterday after a day off and 12 hrs in abys I now am a proud user of Mighty Guard finally lol...
Was bored today in class/work and wrote myself a comparison haha.
Adhemar
DEF:101 HP+41 STR+19 DEX+21 VIT+15 AGI+19 INT+14 MND+14 CHR+14 Attack+26 Ranged Attack+26 Evasion+49 Magic Evasion+59 "Magic Def. Bonus"+3 Haste+8% "Triple Attack"+3% "Subtle Blow"+7 Critical hit damage +5%
AUG PATH A agi 10 DEX 10 Acc 15
VS
Herc
DEF:108 HP+38 STR+22 DEX+28 VIT+18 AGI+25 INT+20 MND+16 CHR+17 Attack+15 Ranged Attack+15 "Magic Atk. Bonus"+10 Evasion+55 Magic Evasion+59 "Magic Def. Bonus"+3 Haste+8% "Fast Cast"+7%
ACC 10 TA 4
So the real differences are
Adhemar STR 19 DEX 31 TA 3 ACC 15 ATT 26
Herc STR 22 DEX 28 TA 4 ACC 10 ATT 15
so in the end (Tp important stats) its ....
adhemar DEX 3 acc 5 ATT 11 VS herc STR 3 TA 1
I can definitely see that you are right if I did not need acc Aug on adhemar it would get a ton of attack, but when are we not needing acc? Plus curry buns are a lot better attack bonus overall :D
Also I am 20 acc 10 dex and 30 attack (perfect augs) below stats on herculean, at which point I dont see any reason adhemar would win, unless the crit dmg is that powerful. Really only need 18 acc 11 attack aug in conjunction with the TA 4 on herc head, which isnt a hard augment to get and probably about as much time/gil in stones as adehmar head?
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By Sylph.Oraen 2016-04-04 18:38:47
The crit damage is that powerful.
Basic rule for CDC: If you can hit it, use Adhemar Bonnet.
As far as expenses go, I spent 2m on Adhemar Bonnet NQ. I've spent approximately 2000 stones on my Herc helm alone in search of perfection.
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By Asura.Floppyseconds 2016-04-04 18:47:48
I wont ever have the gil for the HQ lol.... so comparing that isnt very good idea for me :D
Hiya floppy! Ya you got me thinking about it for sure haha, I don't want to be no slouch! I will be doing ZM asap btw Im a new returned player so I have to get the KI to enter quiscksand myself, etc... pain in the butt and the reason I havent finished savage blade yet either ><; However yesterday after a day off and 12 hrs in abys I now am a proud user of Mighty Guard finally lol...
Was bored today in class/work and wrote myself a comparison haha.
Adhemar
DEF:101 HP+41 STR+19 DEX+21 VIT+15 AGI+19 INT+14 MND+14 CHR+14 Attack+26 Ranged Attack+26 Evasion+49 Magic Evasion+59 "Magic Def. Bonus"+3 Haste+8% "Triple Attack"+3% "Subtle Blow"+7 Critical hit damage +5%
AUG PATH A agi 10 DEX 10 Acc 15
VS
Herc
DEF:108 HP+38 STR+22 DEX+28 VIT+18 AGI+25 INT+20 MND+16 CHR+17 Attack+15 Ranged Attack+15 "Magic Atk. Bonus"+10 Evasion+55 Magic Evasion+59 "Magic Def. Bonus"+3 Haste+8% "Fast Cast"+7%
ACC 10 TA 4
So the real differences are
Adhemar STR 19 DEX 31 TA 3 ACC 15 ATT 26
Herc STR 22 DEX 28 TA 4 ACC 10 ATT 15
so in the end (Tp important stats) its ....
adhemar DEX 3 acc 5 ATT 11 VS herc STR 3 TA 1
I can definitely see that you are right if I did not need acc Aug on adhemar it would get a ton of attack, but when are we not needing acc? Plus curry buns are a lot better attack bonus overall :D
Also I am 20 acc 10 dex and 30 attack (perfect augs) below stats on herculean, at which point I dont see any reason adhemar would win, unless the crit dmg is that powerful. Really only need 18 acc 11 attack aug in conjunction with the TA 4 on herc head, which isnt a hard augment to get and probably about as much time/gil in stones as adehmar head?
Augment path B and yes I was talking about NQ the whole time. I don't assume HQ bonnet for anyone.
It is easier to gain 100 acc from sublime and keep better gear on. IMO.
It isn't about the attack. It is about the multi hit, crit rate/dmg, etc.
You know where you don't need accuracy? A lot of content.
You scale your gear up though for the greatest effect, and don't just throw every piece up at once.
Oraen reinforces what I told you about crit damage being better than 1% TA though.
He is much smarter than I so trust him.
On another note though. This is good because it reminds me that in the era of herc gear I have failed to write about accuracy in my dumb guide.
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By Asura.Azagarth 2016-04-04 19:09:59
Im from 7 yrs ago when crit dmg wasn't even thought about lol... but I guess if its that powerful then I will get the bonnet :D btw, there is no crit hit rate on bonnet outside the Dex, which is comaprable to what herc has anyways no augs.
I normally run around in 1080 ~ 1100 acc depending, no buffs or food or ionis. I always feel this is never enough for most stuff I am trying to do , T1-2 reisen/escha. Whats the acc #s I should be aiming for here?
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By Asura.Calatilla 2016-04-04 19:15:54
There's Crit hit damage+5% on the bonnet.
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By Asura.Floppyseconds 2016-04-04 19:25:10
Im from 7 yrs ago when crit dmg wasn't even thought about lol... but I guess if its that powerful then I will get the bonnet :D btw, there is no crit hit rate on bonnet outside the Dex, which is comaprable to what herc has anyways no augs.
I normally run around in 1080 ~ 1100 acc depending, no buffs or food or ionis. I always feel this is never enough for most stuff I am trying to do , T1-2 reisen/escha. Whats the acc #s I should be aiming for here?
I don't know. It varies by mob. I generally check my hit rate though. You could be fine from 1100 or you could need 1500+ depending on the target. You have to find that right number yourself. I suppose it is my bad for not listing more acc caps on specific mobs in escha on BG. I just generally go smash them. Having Tizona/Almace on
I think having Tizona/Almace skews it a bit from the skill gain now. My base acc in my general spellset I have on most of the time is 1088 with no food or any zone buffs. Next gear set is 1117, then 1193, then 1309 before messing around giving up a tier of STP for accuracy or anything.
Depends on COR/GEO (BRD doesn't exist for BLU anymore :D) too and food buffs.
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By Asura.Calatilla 2016-04-04 19:33:11
Hey Spicy, you ever solo'd Oryx?
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By Asura.Foreverj 2016-04-04 19:43:33
Hey Spicy, you ever solo'd Oryx?
This guy takes reduced damage and his TP moves that's conal does
Amnesia. It's gonna take 10 + min to solo.
In regards to adhemar bonnet, I swear tampening tam was the second top set at some point in the front page. Lol
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By Asura.Calatilla 2016-04-04 19:47:50
Hey Spicy, you ever solo'd Oryx?
This guy takes reduced damage and his TP moves that's conal does
Amnesia. It's gonna take 10 + min to solo.
In regards to adhemar bonnet, I swear tampening tam was the second top set at some point in the front page. Lol
Well if you believe the guy on the Oryx BG talk page, with just his geo mule and trust npcs he`s killed it in 2mins.
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By Shiva.Francisco 2016-04-04 19:48:28
Asura.Floppyseconds said: »I had a guy tell me I have to get adhemar head, while its nice I don't see why? can someone point it out to me lol? What makes it BiS like I keep getting told?
ItemSet 342918
That's my current set and the herc helm I got has 10 acc 4 TA. I plan to, once getting my afterglow done, going for 25+ acc with 4 TA.
Also I know my tp set needs suppa lol... Im working through ZM atm.... fing hate quicksand caves though.
I was the guy!
I told you because it is a better piece. I also said to get it before doing your AG!
It is certainly a better piece if you don't need accuracy/CduhC.
I would also take the 2 or so hours to go make suppa before doing either AG or Bonnet. Bonnet is super quick too. No need to put off these things for making AG.
Thought I pointed this out though ^_~
Other suggestions:
Asperity necklace - SuperEZ
Ginsen - VeryEZ
Petrov Ring - EZ
Samnuha Tights - random number generator
Willing to bet the gauntlet of all these changes are more valuable than AGing, and you can do them in a weekend.
What's AG?
By Asura.Floppyseconds 2016-04-04 19:49:41
Hey Spicy, you ever solo'd Oryx?
This guy takes reduced damage and his TP moves that's conal does
Amnesia. It's gonna take 10 + min to solo.
In regards to adhemar bonnet, I swear tampening tam was the second top set at some point in the front page. Lol
Well if you believe the guy on the Oryx BG talk page, with just his geo mule and trust npcs he`s killed it in 2mins.
I can believe it. I also believe he got lucky on breaking the horn.
I am working on soloing Diabolos atm (Just beat). I can mess with other mobs another time.
I have thought about soloing him, and I never got that "YEAH I WANNA TEST THAT" feels like I do on Tenzen, Fenrir, Diabolos, etc. I have gotten pretty good vibes from the soulflayer though.
By Asura.Floppyseconds 2016-04-04 19:50:55
Asura.Floppyseconds said: »I had a guy tell me I have to get adhemar head, while its nice I don't see why? can someone point it out to me lol? What makes it BiS like I keep getting told?
ItemSet 342918
That's my current set and the herc helm I got has 10 acc 4 TA. I plan to, once getting my afterglow done, going for 25+ acc with 4 TA.
Also I know my tp set needs suppa lol... Im working through ZM atm.... fing hate quicksand caves though.
I was the guy!
I told you because it is a better piece. I also said to get it before doing your AG!
It is certainly a better piece if you don't need accuracy/CduhC.
I would also take the 2 or so hours to go make suppa before doing either AG or Bonnet. Bonnet is super quick too. No need to put off these things for making AG.
Thought I pointed this out though ^_~
Other suggestions:
Asperity necklace - SuperEZ
Ginsen - VeryEZ
Petrov Ring - EZ
Samnuha Tights - random number generator
Willing to bet the gauntlet of all these changes are more valuable than AGing, and you can do them in a weekend.
What's AG?
First Majestic Silver Corp's stock symbol apparently.
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By Asura.Failaras 2016-04-04 19:52:32
Hey Spicy, you ever solo'd Oryx?
This guy takes reduced damage and his TP moves that's conal does
Amnesia. It's gonna take 10 + min to solo.
In regards to adhemar bonnet, I swear tampening tam was the second top set at some point in the front page. Lol Someone more hip and with the times can probably chime in but Dampening max aug did beat NQ Adhemar back when they both came out.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2016-04-04 19:53:21
Well if you believe the guy on the Oryx BG talk page, with just his geo mule and trust npcs he`s killed it in 2mins. Fighting Oryx solo and fighting Oryx with a 2box that can cast barspells, -nas, 1-2 buffs (geocolure + entrust indi), and maybe the odd cure are two vastly different things. Solo is doable, but so, so much more annoying.
It really depends on how fast you can break the horn and how long it takes him to use Damsel Memento afterwards. I seem to have appalling luck with his TP moves, so often breaking his horn doesn't result in significantly faster kills. Even fighting from his tail usually only takes about 5 minutes though with the same BLU+GEO 2box setup, so 2 min with luck on the horn seems reasonable.
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By Asura.Calatilla 2016-04-04 19:54:27
I`ve killed Taelmoth a few times with trust, but he likes to just take out the tank in 1 spell and just be a genuine pain in the butt. Considering everything I`ve read about him from various sources everyone seems to think Gessho can blink his spells, well seems he can't blink Barbed Creseant because that 1 shots him everytime lol Useless Yag.
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By Asura.Foreverj 2016-04-04 19:54:52
Hey Spicy, you ever solo'd Oryx?
This guy takes reduced damage and his TP moves that's conal does
Amnesia. It's gonna take 10 + min to solo.
In regards to adhemar bonnet, I swear tampening tam was the second top set at some point in the front page. Lol Someone more hip and with the times can probably chime in but Dampening max aug did beat NQ Adhemar back when they both came out.
What gear that came out changed the set to have adhmemar bonnet wins?
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2016-04-04 19:56:44
pDIF cap was lower then for one thing; attack wasn't as relevant. Now the answer is a bit more complicated. Max Tam is still a solid accuracy option regardless.
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By Asura.Failaras 2016-04-04 19:58:26
Makes sense.
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By Bismarck.Speedyjim 2016-04-04 20:00:03
I`ve killed Taelmoth a few times with trust, but he likes to just take out the tank in 1 spell and just be a genuine pain in the butt. Considering everything I`ve read about him from various sources everyone seems to think Gessho can blink his spells, well seems he can't blink Barbed Creseant because that 1 shots him everytime lol Useless Yag. When you see him use his MATK move, Gaze it then run away and keep running until he uses his 3 moves. That worked 100% of the time for me.
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By Asura.Foreverj 2016-04-04 20:03:46
pDIF cap was lower then for one thing; attack wasn't as relevant. Now the answer is a bit more complicated. Max Tam is still a solid accuracy option regardless.
Oh right I forgot about that update. Gonna change my sets to use adhemar for tp. Thanks.
By Asura.Floppyseconds 2016-04-04 20:10:28
Hey Spicy, you ever solo'd Oryx?
This guy takes reduced damage and his TP moves that's conal does
Amnesia. It's gonna take 10 + min to solo.
In regards to adhemar bonnet, I swear tampening tam was the second top set at some point in the front page. Lol Someone more hip and with the times can probably chime in but Dampening max aug did beat NQ Adhemar back when they both came out.
I remember the debate back and forth about it in the form of people constantly asking.
I also remember Adhemar being better outside of accuracy needs as far as the consensus went.
I don't think this is a repeat case of carmine feet +1.
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By Asura.Azagarth 2016-04-04 23:57:33
Tealmoth I have yet to successfully solo... I can get him around 30% but by then he has taken a tank or 2 out and im solo lol... I just have bad luck you cant really outrun barbed....
I do need some gloves so I will be spamming him until luck does come!
OH btw :D got the abj for adhemar head hehe, now to wait out the undercutters for the cursed item :D
By Asura.Floppyseconds 2016-04-05 00:08:16
Dude, you are in my damn LS. Just ask me for help and I can have you a dual pair of gloves in 20 minutes.
That and you are in a LS full of people. I may not always be around, but I am a resource you can utilize. Between the forums, the game, etc you can always set things up for me.
If the LS doesn't say anything then rouse them from their sleep. I seem to do it :P
We have more BLUs than anything in this LS (shocker) none should be missing basic gear like this. The matriarch of the shell and I regularly spam gear for people. Just send me a tell :| there is generally a lot going on I guess (yes? not really? sometimes? idfk?) however I can always help you guys out.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2016-04-05 00:10:43
lol
*** you this gets its own post
Rosmerta's Cape
DEF:16 Monster correlation effects +10 "Efflux" TP bonus +250
probably augmentable but looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
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By Asura.Floppyseconds 2016-04-05 00:11:12
lol
*** you this gets its own post
Rosmerta's Cape
DEF:16 Monster correlation effects +10 "Efflux" TP bonus +250
probably augmentable but looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
What is this ***?! SE, why, just why.
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By Asura.Azagarth 2016-04-05 00:17:17
Meh wardrobe2 people! more niche sets to be had!
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2016-04-05 00:31:50
Wardrobe2 is arguably the best thing about this update.
Alright. So, cape.
Fuuuuuuuuuuuck those stats are dumb. Anyway.
There are three items used to augment new gear. Given the, uh... dearth of items in this update sans capes, I'm assuming capes are augmentable. Patch notes imply that you can use all three items on one piece for three total augments.
Notable thread augments: hp+60, base stat+20
Notable dust augments: acc/attack+20, macc/mdmg+20, eva/meva+20
Notable sap augments: wsd, critdmg, stp, da, dw, mab, fc, curepot... all +10
If I'm right, there's a very good chance that most of our backpieces were just replaced.
By KnifeKatRengar 2016-04-05 00:59:20
Is this safe to assume using 2 Tati Earring +1s are still good, since nothing released from this new update replaced any earrings?
*Still looking for a way to make GS correctly equip both earrings during a swap instead of only one*
By Asura.Floppyseconds 2016-04-05 01:10:15
Wardrobe2 is arguably the best thing about this update.
Alright. So, cape.
Fuuuuuuuuuuuck those stats are dumb. Anyway.
There are three items used to augment new gear. Given the, uh... dearth of items in this update sans capes, I'm assuming capes are augmentable. Patch notes imply that you can use all three items on one piece for three total augments.
Notable thread augments: hp+60, base stat+20
Notable dust augments: acc/attack+20, macc/mdmg+20, eva/meva+20
Notable sap augments: wsd, critdmg, stp, da, dw, mab, fc, curepot... all +10
If I'm right, there's a very good chance that most of our backpieces were just replaced.
Fine with me.
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By Sylph.Oraen 2016-04-05 03:06:13
I'm working towards getting a cape to test, but also trying the higher level difficulties to test what's in store for us.
Regular Ambuscade:
Sombra Dragon (Black Dragon)
- Begins the fight by applying thornsong. Seems either heavily resistant, or immune, to dark-based dispels. Suggest setting Blank Gaze to remove it, as damage becomes very noticeable at higher ranks.
- Has access to typical Black Dragon abilities (Heavy Stomp, Voidsong, Wind/Poison Breath, Body Slam). Suggest /NIN to mitigate damage.
- Cleared VD solo, most likely a content level of 129. Approximately 1215 accuracy will cap.
Intense Ambuscade:
Bozzetto Crusader (PLD and main NM), Warlock (BLM), and Pugilist (MNK)
- All enemies will aggro you after ~20 yalms or an aggressive action.
- Warlock has access to typical BLM spells (T5s, bio 2, elemental and enfeebling -Ga spells, and apparently Death)
- Pugilist seemed very non-threatening, outside of occasional counters. Battle Dance, Aerial Wheel, Howl all observed.
- Both helper mobs incredibly fragile. Resistant to dark-based sleeps but susceptible to light-based sleeps and petrification. Quite susceptible to the stun from Sudden Lunge.
- Crusader can buff himself and allies. Has access to Manic Dance (single-target charm) and Veil of Chaos (AoE damage and 3-5 second amnesia).
- Crusader will Invincible around 50% HP.
- Light and dark dispels equally effective in removing statuses.
- Cleared D solo, content level 134. 1300+ accuracy necessary.
EDIT: Adjusted accuracy values, as I read my values incorrectly.
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