The Sealed Dagger: A Ninja Guide

Why? Tp bonus offhand require a lot of sacrifices (white dps, accuracy etc.) to work. Nothing wrong about it.

offhand envy xD

The fix is to just buff NIN, but they don't wanna do that cuz then you have a really strong DD that can rarely be hit (but then again RUN exists so idk)

so idiots stop using it because it's "bis" when nobody these days understands what situational means.

I don't know what you want me to say. :(

I understand where are you coming from, but thats still not a solution. Gtfo from my Thibron and Cento (I know its a nin thread, but that change would be general, not a katana specific :P)

Is Ninja great yet ?

It is kinda sad though I really like ninja but have almost zero reason to play it.

I assume he meant the TP bonus gun, since the topic was on Savage Blade COR.

Getting a free 1000 TP Bonus for almost no sacrifice when ranged attacks aren't needed/useful is pretty crazy, and part of why COR can melee far above its job design.

Agreed but it is fun to throw shurkiens at things !

If they made ninja like Ginjirou from Guardian Heroes it would be amazing... dude’s ninjutsu and move set was elite



Matter of fact, I just got nostalgic. Who can I pay to make me ninja AF recolored like the above, or how can I do it myself? I’m feeling like being a nerd for a few hours

Just to be clear...

For NIN, TP bonus offhand katana (Hitaki) isn't really worth making IMHO. Even in situations with capped accuracy and using a WS that benefits from TP Bonus (Blade: Ten), it's no better than a slightly worse option to the standard ilevel options like Kanaria, Gokotai, Fudo Masamune, Tauret, etc. It's not BAD and can reach sidegrade-ish territory in those situations that most favor it, but it also isn't the best.

And that's just for Blade: Ten with minimal acc concerns. TP Bonus offhand falls WAY behind with any other WS, or on targets where acc matters.

Given that it's never significantly better, and often significantly worse... don't bother.

FYI, while I've messed around with it for fun, it's also not really that much of a viable alternative to do Naegling mainhand (using Savage Blade) and TP bonus offhand, like a COR or BLU or something could do. NIN already has its katana WS with slightly better TP mods than Savage:
SB: 4.0/10.25/13.75
Ten: 4.5/11.5/15.5

Savage does has somewhat more potent stat mods in 50%STR/50%MND (eww MND, but still) versus Ten's 30%STR/30%DEX, plus Naegling's innate 15% boost to all hits of Savage. And that CAN situationally be slightly better DPS than Katana with Ten spam if comparing to a non-Aeonic katana... but the downsides are:

1) If you're spamming a TP Bonus-centric WS on NIN, ideally you're using a Heishi mainhand in the first place... which gets another 500 TP Bonus for Ten, crushing the perks of Naegling and SB.

2) Sword loses 51 skill versus Katana, which is a potential acc issue for Naegling versus even non-Aeonic katanas.


I mean, yeah, me either! NIN is obviously not in as good a position damage-wise as other melees at this point. What it really adds is that (dreaded) defensive "utility" of having tons of shadows and Migawari for great evasion of OHKOs, top of the line offensive gear having a lot of Meva (Kendatsuba +1, which I often 5/5), and the ability to switch to a legitimate tank stance on the fly with Yonin (assuming fighting something that doesn't AoE wipe all shadows frequently).

It's not THAT bad offensively though. We have a couple good NINs who come to Dyna and are pretty competitive on the parse. They shouldn't beat a similarly buffed SAM DRG DRK whatever... but a good NIN shouldn't be embarrassing from a DD perspetive. Now, if SE revisits katana WS and give them a bit of a buff a la H2H (and, to a lesser extent, Scythe), or access to DRG's WS Damage Boost trait or something similar... honestly, NIN would be back in business from a DPS perspective.

Along with MNK and THF, NIN also does very good white damage relative to some jobs that are much more heavily skewed toward WS on the WS/TP split. That's one of the reasons I tend to use Kannagi a lot as a most practical choice for a lot of situations where I'm NIN. If I wanted an all out WS>TP split like the common current DPS meta, I'd be better off on another job altogether - not on NIN trying to be a -1 version of other DDs by using Blade: Ten or Shun. And I sometimes run into real world situations where, while it isn't OPTIMAL DPS, playing toward the white damage strength can help when I'm doing something like dual-boxing and giving frequent attention to the other character (so, not necessarily hitting all my NIN WS right at the optimal time). That's in addition to stuff where there's some reason to hold TP (Amnesia, holding WS to allow others to SC, etc.). Of course, same approach also works with Empy MNK THF DNC, so this isn't necessarily a NIN-only application (I just kinda like NIN more than those jobs).

Otherwise, I NIN:
- for the defensive benefits, situationally
- for the ease of self light/dark SC (especially with Kikoku)
- cuz it's cool, man (this is the REAL ANSWER)

One day NIN will rise again for more mainstream use, and I'll be ready.

Nouuu! I was talking about this post.

Basically Gokotai vs Aug Shigi for situations where you want lots of acc.
At first I was all for Gokotai, but with a closer look I think I like Shigi more.
I dunno, I want more opinions!


Go Langly/Capu, go! XD

I'm gonna be contrarian and say neither, Fudo Masamune is my heavy acc offhand of choice ;)

But I'm also needing to go to sleep now, so I'll probably come back later and expand on that.

Your options probably won't come down to what offhand you should be using, since you'll usually outdamage your Gokotai by using a Tauret.

Can you alter your food/buffs/gear to get the requisite acc?

At this point, your question may be closer to a game of inches, in a race governed by miles.

:)

hello

what is the best Katana now?

i see a lot of players getting relic is it the best now?

i have aeonic katana, what can be a good off hand for it?

+ i have empy items ready, was going to make almace,

how is Kannagi doing now,
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can anyone share nin ws sets please

thx xD

I pretty much agree with this as the most practical answer. If you're struggling that badly with accuracy (especially considering NIN's generally pretty high acc gear), good performance is probably more a matter of fixing buffs than swapping offhands.

Honestly, I use Tauret offhand the vast majority of the time across all situations (and somewhat of an aside, I see no real point in Gokotai for anyone with RMEA katanas, other than completionism - especially since not only is Tauret a little better and similar use cases, but Tauret is also useful for lots of other jobs while Gokotai is NIN only).

If I did need mega super acc, I'd go Fudo Masamune offhand - especially since if you need that much acc, it's a pretty safe bet you're also not capping atk (and thus will get a lot of benefit from the up to Atk+105 on Fudo/7 shadows). So Fudo prob wins that scenario. But more often than not, I'll just use Fudo as a situational tanking mainhand when the need arises. It's still pretty good as an offhand though, so at the very least it's not a real liability in Dynamis[D] if you're working on upgrading one.