The Parthenon: A Warrior's Kyklos

Thanks for confirming for me. Plan to keep going till I get it.


Yeah. Their's times when it gets dispelled and it'll take a moment for the WHM to get it back up, so I gear for capped MDT-%.

Just out of curiosity, why does Duplus Grip beat Claymore Grip for Ukon users (against mobs that don't have crit evasion) but Claymore Grip beats Pole Grip?

I'd first assumed Claymore would pull ahead of both Duplus and Pole until I read here that Duplus trumps both.

EDIT
I've got another question. Would augmented Hecatomb Leggings +1 be the best feet option for Ukko's Fury against monsters with critical evasion?

I'm guessing just like most of the advice in this thread, it's based on a spreadsheet calculation. These spreadsheet results are very useful, but in the end not an exact science. If the difference is negligible enough that 3crit beats 2DA, but not 3DA, then it's probably negligible enough that using either won't have enough of an effect to matter.

Addressing your edit, the small crit rate augment isn't going to be enough to overcome the crit evasion, so sticking to increasing the STR mod or possibly even Ogier's for the boost to the first hit would probably be preferable. The conventional wisdom is to avoid using Ukko's on these mobs anyway, so it shouldn't really matter. (If you want to have a set just for putting AM up on wave 2 Mul, that's your call, but it doesn't seem worthwhile to me.)

That's all I use it for. If I happen to have 300% TP from Regain/Meditate when I engage the mob or get a wing from procs, I'll use it for AM:III, but otherwise, I just stick to spamming Upheaval.

Would the Ukon Max TP set still be better than the Valk's body set with these changes?

99 Ukon > 90 Ukon
Duplus > Claymore/Pole
Phos +1 > NQ Phos/Bullwhip
Huginn > Ravager +2

Ukon TP Mid-High, which was the previous optimal set before Ares' was added.

Wait, if I understood his question...


is better than


and (the non-optimal Ares' set) is actually better than


even on fodder.

As long as you have 6 Store TP on Armada.

So as long as Armada has 6STP and 3DA that Ares' set will generally be the best set to TP in? before Huginn and etc.

It just needs 6 STP to beat the Valk counterpart. (or 5 STP and 1 DA with Kokou's instead of Ravager's earring)

Just fill in Huginn, Phos +1, Duplus, and 99 Ukon as you get them.

What is the non-optimal Ares' set? The generic Armada TP set? I assume that Ares' set would beat that as well?

So is the top set acceptable even with lacking one haste cause NQ instead of HQ phos?

I was considering this the non-optimal Ares' set. It's better than either Valk set even though it's missing a fraction of haste (honestly doesn't mean *that* much) and has no Huginn feet.


Yes.

This is on targets up to Ig-Alima or including? And you said this set is beating Ragnarok sets even on Crit Eva/Def mobs? I can see a Legion set swapping the AF3 ear and blitz ring to take advantage of the legion ones to cap haste and add some DA and accuracy, would that be enough to keep it on top?

Leaving Rancor Collar on in Legion automatically makes it a terrible set. Your DPS is 0 while you're dead.

Up to and including for the first question.

For the second: I was more asking someone to double check it for me because I think I'm *** something up with that part.

Legion set you add Belatz, get rid of Blitz for Ambuscade, and you can still use NQ Phos.

lol.


edit: Question! On Mot's sheets, is adding ~40% Crit Def Bonus about even with Mul's wave 2/3 mobs?

People still make this argument?

Since you're a bit into the subject about ragna vs ukon atm, how does 90 Ukon vs 99 Ragna compare in normal non-MS situations? Worth using Ukon at all until I 99 it?

Oh, I noticed something...



is what's posted as the best non-embrava Ragnarok set, but it should be the same as the Ukon set, just Ravager's Orb instead of White Tathlum when Restraint's up and what's posted when Restraint's down.

Same with Ukon, when Restraint's down you should be using the above.


90 Ukon loses to 99 Rag pretty much all the time.

The only time I use Ukon (mine's still 90 because I'm insanely lazy) is in Salvage to cleave or on the Cerb so I can Light skillchain to MB with my SCH mule lol.

I'm also still getting 99 Ukon beating 99 Rag in every situation, even with a 60% crit def bonus, but I'm like 82% sure I'm screwing something up.

Thanks man :)

Ragnarok requires sufficient attack buffs(or fodder) to be worth using over ukon.

That's what you'd think, but I'm getting Ukon doing better on fodder or even in insanely high buff situations (4x min, chaos, berk, rcb). Granted, I do think I'm messing something up.

I guess due to ddex cap, but I can say for a certainty that there are plenty of situations a 90 ukon will outdo a 99ragnarok. The attack penalty on resolution really kills it if you're not capped/high pdif. Level correction should also favor ukon as well, my 90 ukon does a lot better than 99 ragnarok on PW caturae fights.

It's probably a safe bet to say that you won't be heavily buffed for most pickup events, and thus ukon would outshine ragnarok there by a good amount.
edit: I think you misread my post, I'm arguing that a 90 ukon is better than a 99 ragnarok(non MS) with low attack buffs and or high level correction.

The only time I can really see using 90 Ukon over 99 Ragnarok with comparable gear is when you're semi-naked in salvage and don't have Ele. Gorget and Belt.

Or if you're cleaving/inside abyssea, obviously.

edit: you added new stuff. q-q

Yea, I guess if you're in pickup groups and have ***buffs on things you should really be buffed for, but I personally tend not to take pickup groups like that lol.

VW would be the main contender for that, or if you simply don't have a harp bard around. Just don't think it's wise to say a 99 ragnarok is pretty much always better than a 90 ukon, seeing as you would be doing much less damage with the ragnarok if you had low pdif.

I guueeeessssss...

but I always have a 3/4-song BRD or at least a 2-song BRD and a COR around! :3...

Anyway! If someone could pick up a sheet and mess with 99 Ukon vs. 99 Ragnarok that'd be cool, I'm thinking I should get off my *** and start buying plates (though I guess I really should anyway since it's only ~150 now :x).

What hasn't been mentioned much as far as rag/ukon sets and restraint goes... IF the bonus behaves like most WS dmg+% gear behaves it only works for the first hit of a WS.

That being said, the difference between the effect for Ukkos(2hit attack) vs Reso (5 hit attack) is quite significant.

Which is why if you can work ravager's gloves into your TP set(they have nice acc and a little attack from the str ddex etc~) its an added bonus. But often they just aren't as potent for rag reso spam or as much in general since the nerf and hence should not be thought of as a "Required for the slot" piece as they once were.

Motenten's spreadsheets have that factored in, no?

edit: It's also not that big of a difference, but if you're going for optimal you should be swapping them anyway.

They aren't that potent to begin with due to the bonus only adding WSDMG from the first hit of an attack round.

I have always wanted to know how much ahead ukon 99 is compared to brav 99 if you assume only AM1 can be maintained. 10% better 20% more? Has anyone compared?

That's because of the mirrored ftp i would imagine, a really high ftp ws with 1-2 hits would benefit a lot more.