The Parthenon: A Warrior's Kyklos

Lycurgos is little effort and seems like a mini-Chango with TP-bonus/HP function.

seems ok to me too, just made one. didn't see anything else that really stood out compared to it

I would agree, lycurgos is about even with a few other GA that are 1 step below chango. It is much easier to get than the other options too.

However, if you have dolichenus i would use that over lycurgos and I would use shining one over lycurgos. I would use montante over shining one as well.

Chango > montante = raetic (sorta, depends on if in escha or not, raetic can actually beat r15 chango if you build the correct TP set inside of escha) > Shining one > Dolichenus > lycurgos = r15 conq = labruanda Path B > other stuff.

For just GA . I have it at chango > Lycurgos=r15conq=path b labraunda> ukon > Giant step down to bravura. Bravura, a few other GA not worth mentioning beat bravura.

The bold part is not set in stone. It can change a bit depending on buffs. with sam/fighters dolichenus and the GA options are pretty similar.
Shining one is in a bit of a weird category. With sam/fighters or sam/rogues it is very good but certainly not the best. has bad TP return and the weapon doesnt improve TP gain like GS and GA options. People look at the WS average and ignore DPS on it for some reason.
But if you are like me and like to run 2 cors . going sam/fighter/rogue/miser then shining becomes by far the most powerful physical DPS weapon outside of mighty strikes.

I'm starting to get back into warrior for the first time since forever. I have all the basic melee gear from Escha and Omen, etc. Mastered using Dolichenus. What are the must-have AF pieces? Looks like AF1+3 body, legs, feet and obviously AF2+3 head. Anything else?

I would say AF body head feet and legs. Relic head+3 is a must have. relic hands are very good as well. then empy body is also quite useful.

Thanks! I'll get all of those.

i forget, but i dont think you "need" to +3 the relic hands.

After doing some Odin HTBF last night with some LS mates, a question was brought up about the new head/body from the Odin fight and where it fits in to the current situations for warrior TP/Upheaval spam? Has anyone done the math on BiS? It has been a long time since I did much on warrior.

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It's very good for hybrid DW builds, because you can cap PDT and MDT with max haste while keeping your offensive power.
I believe the set above would work for chango with some changes, like Sulevia Hands +2 and Tempus fugit (+1).

What's the augs on this cape Korgull?

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I'm using DEX 30 acc/att 20 DA +10 PDT -10%. I'm not using a MDT- augment because you only need like 24-26 with Shell IV.
Btw, Odin gear is good for hybrid sets but your standard tp/ws sets will beat it when defense is not needed. Just saying to make it clear.

It is now part of a BIS hybrid TP/DT set. with buffs you can get 100 DA and a 3-4 hit build depending on sams and weapon you are using with maxed PDT MDT and 37 BDT. It is actually pretty great. Basically making a hybrid set with much less sacrifice to TP gain than we used to. Tempus fugit does not need to be hq. makes no difference.

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As for during the WS, the body and head are alright for upheaval. but not beating the existing options. Can use any weapon with this set.

Does Rag fit in anywhere?

Yes, it goes nicely in storage. r0 rag is pretty similar to a 0 augment zulfiqar. an r15 rag is a tiny improvement, behind an augmented zulf. But still pretty far ahead of bravura if that helps. i used to have a list of GS i put ahead of rag. been a minute but raetic/montante/zulf/macbain hq or NQ all beat it. Nandaka and the new one from the HTB also beats it. It got a very mild boost for mighty strikes zergs. doesnt TP very well.

Question about the Chango sets in OP.

What are the Val body augs? Since it seems like none of the 3 are 100% DA, not that it really matters if overall dps is better.

Thanks

I believe for sets they assume you have warriors roll for 100da but I could be wrong.

Val stuff is quad 3

what post are you referring to?

Chango TP sets in OP:

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Pretty much, which isn't nearly as often as people like to pretend. Basically you need to define a different set for "Fighters Roll" then "Regular TP" which is everything that isn't a 60s zerg fight.

Honestly the only time I have Fighters on is when using Qultada :3

Even scenarios like Dyna D, with DD parties that have two Cors, the rolls are usually CC Sam/Chaos and CC Tact/Hunters or Wizards.

Which brings me back to the question, consensus "BiS" TP set for low and mid acc, without fighters would be the following, with 5DA and as much acc as possible in Body?

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If you dont have capped DA then the body will want as much MA as you can get. 3 qa is nice and all, but rare to get a good augment. so the 5 DA would generally be the best. Chaos roll is commonly a waste of a roll for war since you are usually well above cap on attack anyway. So it is literally a waste of a roll most of the time.
regular fighters roll set
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other regular fighters roll set, also works for generic TP set, can swap in for a DA augmented val body
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11 rostam fighters TP set change out the earring if you CC the fighters roll for telos or dedition. If you are using the new food this set can get pretty crazy. Especially if you change it a little for crooked 11 fighters and the new food.
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Escha raetic TP set
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as far as census "BIS". no such thing on generic TP set atm. there are a few that are really good and work well though. The one you posted is great.A number of sets are extremely close in TP gain. Swap chirichi and moonlight depending on if you feel too squishy

My warrior tends to only come out and play in zerg situations. I never get fighter's roll either.

Warrior tp gives -15DT -20PDT
Body has 5DA 26acc
67DA(gear)+28(gifts)+5(merits) = 100DA

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Warrior Hybrid gives -45DT -50PDT
51DA(gear)+28(gifts)+5(merits) = 84DA
(back has -5DT)

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weird. i use fighters roll ESPECIALLY in zerg situations. on helms chaos does literally nothing. Even on wave three we have found no need for chaos on war. Sam and chaos on war is equal to just sams roll. do you use a different roll on the second roll? monks roll?

sometimes; sometimes rogues too

I assume using shining one a lot? i find with just sam/fighters or sam/rogues that montante and chango both beat shining one impulse spam when chango and montante have sam/fighters. Then if it is a mighty strikes zerg obviously shining one is pretty far behind most options.

I have always liked monks roll for a lot of content. makes it smoother.

I use r15 chango. Haven't tried monk's tbh; should do it.

clarify rolls are usually sam/tact/hunter/rogue

What content are you using those for? tact is usually pretty meh on war. if you are using shining one misers will be worth a lot more. is this a dynamis build? If you are using chango..... why on earth would you want rogues? it would translate to like a 1%dmg increase. Hunters roll is pretty crap compared to other acc buffs and with r15 chango you really dont need to much acc. so i would deff drop that.

For chango i would strongly recommend something like sam/fighter/allie/monks


shining one with a 2 cor set up is pretty absurd with sam/fighter/rogue/miser.

hunter and tact are a basically nothing. rogues is only something if using shining one or kinda ukon/farsha white damage builds. Fighters roll would be a pretty nice improvement in TP rate and WS average. And similar white damage boosts.

Do you have other DD that are forcing you to use those oddball rolls? the only one that is doing anything is sams roll.

Sadly I haven't zerged anything since helms. I'm generally on other jobs as of late. Sounds like we need to adjust our rolls for anything harder...

Spaitin, thoughts on my war gearsets given you play it more than I do?