The Parthenon: A Warrior's Kyklos

When talking about 3-hit Tp with Chango, are you guys talking about actually getting 333(+) tp per hit with it? So you end with WS -> Single 100%DA attack round -> WS?

What is the "Standard" set that WAR uses nowadays?

Also - Dolichenus - any good on WAR? Or should you stick with Shining One until Chango?

He's special...

The "standard" is a base 5-hit (200 TP per swing), which is the WS counting as the first hit. Samurai's Roll upgrades it to a 4-hit (250 TP per swing). That's pretty much what your going to see when you play.

I have all 3 and they are all heavily gear dependant. Personally I run around with Naegling with a fencer build. Again, they're heavily gear dependant.

Dolichenus is pretty good. Using Dual Wield on WAR for a change of pace is nice.

Especially if your offhand it with that Odin Sword.

Dolichenus is a great starting weapon, and easier to gear around (multihit/STR/ATK/ACC) versus WSD builds. If you can gear for Shining One you might as well just do Chango IMO?

He is special because he uses Samurai + fighter's roll? That's the only special thing about his 3 hit build with 100%DA. None really asked about your opinion btw or your standards for that matter. He asked if we were talking about real 3 hit build (WS+2hits) and the answer is yes, we meant that.

its alright. saevel just doesnt really know how war works anymore. he lacks the reading comprehension to understand what people are asking. Ironically he was recently bragging about how he was the one who suggested fighters roll with sams roll. He just got lazy and never optimized i guess. He just has a rage ***. He tries to double up on raging while masturbating by shoving his opinion at people. Sad how often he gets things wrong.

Yes with sams/fighters roll you can get 100% da with a 3 hit build. so WS and 1 attack round on average. it is actually around 1085-1109 with the set i posted previously.

With ideal rolls(not counting crooked) you are looking at 358 per attack (x2 because 100 DA for 1 attack round) with 369-392 tp return depending on DA proccs during WS. so with a pretty wide range of Sams rolls you get a 3 hit build. If you want to stream line it further you can it can get to around 1184 tp in Ws + attack round (even more if you think about food and crooked rolls). A pretty "standard" set was posted on the previous page. a couple of them. Dolichenus is good. I like it.

I made the Spambu AXE and just wanted to play around with it, can anyone post the BIS sets for dual wield TP and WS. I found a Modified Reso set on like page 131-136ish. But didn't see TP. The search function on this site doesn't work and Google is horrendous at finding specific things in these forums. Thanks in advance

I don't know if this is bis, but this set would give you 100% Double Attack if you don't have Fighter's Roll.

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emicho gauntlets +1: Path D
Cichol's mantle: Dex/acc/atk/DA

Ginsen probably still BiS ranged, but vanir battery gives you an extra 1% DA. Truth be told, if you're going to use multi-attack in the slot, Paeapua is probably better.

Good Alternatives:
valorous mail with 5% DA, agoge lorica +3
Any number of off hands
flamma gambieras +2

For Fighter's Roll with +7 roll as long as it is not unlucky:
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Cichol's mantle: STP, not DA

Zantetsuken is by far a better offhand even if it makes you drop from 100%DA. Otherwise it looks good.

Not to mention Zantetsuken has 4% haste, which let you swap to Hjarrandi head and body for hybrid set and maintain 26% haste in gear.

I keep forgetting that Sword exists because Odin so stingy... lol

Awesome thank you so much!

Can you reach 100% base DA with odin head / body? With Zantetsuken avaliable to cover the lack of Haste that might be a possibility...

With the head you can, but you sacrifice 5% TA (roughly the equivalent of 10% DA) to do it.

I beleive a few pages back they posed a hjarrandi DW set. it is pretty nice. obviously behind on TP gain but very durable. Which is the whole point of it anyway.

How does this look as a target for a Decimation set?

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Anything obvious that should be changed?

5 STR in ammo will beat 6% WSD?

You're probably better using Warrior Beads +2 and Waist+1 for DA too.

its decimation, not mistral axe, ammo and fotia items are fine though could make a case for the extra atk on the wsd one if you didnt need the acc and were low on atk

as far as the set itself, think the only other ammo worth considering is Paepua one if you arent in need of the acc/atk, all pretty minor though, body wise could get better results with a strong aug'd valorous mail but if you dont want to play the augment game argosy will do fine

6% WSD is 6% WSD though. Even if you were only doing 16.7k on the first hit this alone would add 1000 damage (17,000*0.06)? Will 5 STR really add more 1000 damage? Am I missing something drastic here?

Recently acquired Chango, so it's not R15. Does anyone have the Upheaval BiS gearset? In Ambuscade D-VD it seems to be under-powered if I'm not performing a skill chain. I can't get Upheaval to go beyond 30K. I can hit higher numbers with Naegling easily.

Edit: Can't get it to go above 20K unless I'm performing a skillchain. Where as Naegling can hit consistently at 31k~49k on its own with a Fencer build.

You likely are around the average number. It's a skillchain Great Axe, mine is R15 and it doesn't get much better unless under Mighty Strikes.

/sadness
Now to R15 Naegling. . .

Don't get me wrong, if you are skillchaining you will wreck ***. Overall it's not a bad option to have in the least.

What is the best WS spam weapon on WAR nowadays, if thats not Chango Upheaval? Fencer Naegling?

Should be looking at ws frequency, not just avg. 2h TP much faster than 1h without haste samba.

It is indeed still Chango and Upheaval, outside of MS/BR. With MS/BR up, should still be Montante +1 outside of Escha, and Raetic Algol +1 inside of Escha (both spamming Reso ofc). 20k is quite low for Upheaval, assuming you're fully buffed. Either A. Your gear is mediocre or B. You're standing in front of whichever fomor you're fighting, and you're getting half your hits parried.

With full buffs on most targets upheaval should be 40k + on average. On most months ambu you are looking at 40k+ on stuff like neak it is more like 42k+ .What set/buffs are you using ? Naegling gets super high WS average but even with haste samba has a fairly low WS frequency compared to 2 hand weapons. Your numbers for naegling also seem a bit low tbh. I dont have any numbers off the top of my head for SB average with naegling, but i wanna say it is higher than upheavals by a good chunk. Just has a much lower frequency. (side rant i so wish we were on the club.)


this isnt even close to correct.

This is the current set i reccomend. A few slots have wiggle room. WSD and vit on the augment pieces.
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In the majority of content r15 Chango will beat all other spams not including the SC. With the SC chango waffle stomps other options on most content. 40k+ for non MS/BR and 70k+ for MS/BR. If you are not getting number close to that then either your gear/buffs are bad or your Gearswap is broken(that happens fairly often). If you are facing a mob with high parry or guard then that can dramatically drop it. For non r15 you should be looking at least 35k. been awhile but before R15 it was only a little bit behind montante+1 spam( which has around 38-40k average). R15 just put it a little bit ahead of montante+1 (not including SC). For MS things can change a bit.

I would say that is about half of what your average should be. assuming capped attack. Crowned brings up a good point about this months ambu as well.

That set looks good. I use this one but i dont DW often on war. Ring is probably not ideal but i like seeing the big damage spikes every now and then. Decimation has a few sets that can change gear around a bit that all do very good dmg. body can do good with dagon/argosy/agoge/val. I try to avoid argosy if possible on decimation because argosy has no defense. (which is the downside of reso spams imo. lots of argosy)
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On decimation I am pretty sure you are doing closer to 8.5k per hit with decimation first hit. You just end up hitting the mob 5times or so.

Remember Spaitin that you probably use avg with fighter's roll, which most people wont be using, so probably like 2k less than that without them?

Even then they are still REALLY low(8-18k low). And if you aren't getting at least close to that 40k+then it goes back to bad buffs/gear(lets say 38k with sam/chaos). If buffs are a bit gimped then chaos if not I'd recommend switching to fighters roll on the second roll. If that doesn't fix it then your other buffs need to be looked at or your gear.it is somewhat hard to guess what numbers you should be looking at with non max gear and buffs. Id like to see their upheaval sets that are producing such low numbers and find out what buffs they have been using. Even without fighters they should be much higher. Naegling probably wins in sub capped attack scenario. Which leads me to believe yojimbo has bad buffs in his ambu party? Hard to say for sure. Could be gear related. But you should easily beat 20k upheavals in a MA style tp set with capped attack(i think closer to 30k). Naeglings attack bonus thing is probably really strong when attack is gimped. So my guess is party attack is gimped in their set up. They have naegling winning by 11-29k per WS. It has to be both gear AND attack i think. IDK... need more info.