I actually wanted Gungnir till I came here :'(
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Which Relic Should I Make?: A Guide
Which Relic Should I Make?: A Guide
Bahamut.Fulgrim said: »
I actually wanted Gungnir till I came here :'(
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Holy ***, Ashman's apocalypse analysis is better than anything I could have ever hoped for.
I'm swamped with implementing a chaotic artificial bee colony algorithm in python at the moment but I'll get the analyses currently available compiled this weekend.
In the mean time, offer feedback!
I'm swamped with implementing a chaotic artificial bee colony algorithm in python at the moment but I'll get the analyses currently available compiled this weekend.
In the mean time, offer feedback!
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Someone with all 3 Great Katanas (Amano/Masa/Koga) should do an Amano write up. Based on what I heard personally, I am pretty sure it will be much more favorable than most think coming from a player that used all three 99 versions of the weapon.
Anybody who would put 99 Amano above 99 Koga is not someone whose opinion I'd credit.
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Bismarck.Kelhor said: »
Excalibur
Comparisons
The most obvious comparison is to Almace. This is the hot button topic of endless debate, so let's go to the Holy Book of Motenten, and see what the (slightly modified for gear that wasn't in it) spreadsheet says:
As an opening caveat, the spreadsheet doesn't account for Excalibur's additional effect. So we use Enlight for both weapons, and ignore the additional effect damage, but allow for Almace's CDC aftermath and Excalibur's relic 2.5 damage hits. We'll compare both 90 and 99 Almace, and 95 and 99 Excalibur.
TP phase
Requiescat with Excalibur
CDC with Almace
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Comparisons
The most obvious comparison is to Almace. This is the hot button topic of endless debate, so let's go to the Holy Book of Motenten, and see what the (slightly modified for gear that wasn't in it) spreadsheet says:
As an opening caveat, the spreadsheet doesn't account for Excalibur's additional effect. So we use Enlight for both weapons, and ignore the additional effect damage, but allow for Almace's CDC aftermath and Excalibur's relic 2.5 damage hits. We'll compare both 90 and 99 Almace, and 95 and 99 Excalibur.
TP phase
Requiescat with Excalibur
CDC with Almace
Code
| No buffs, fodder | Melee DPS | WS DMG | Cycle DMG | Cycle Time | Total DPS | +---------------------------+-----------+--------+-----------+------------+-----------+ | Excalibur (99) | 109.071 | 2212 | 5613 | 2046 | 164.599 | | Excalibur (95) | 103.343 | 2140 | 5362 | 2046 | 157.257 | | Almace (99) | 119.615 | 2114 | 5983 | 2121 | 169.299 | | Almace (90) | 107.344 | 1957 | 5430 | 2121 | 153.638 | +-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | DC Dynamis, capped haste | Melee DPS | WS DMG | Cycle DMG | Cycle Time | Total DPS | +--------------------------+-----------+--------+-----------+------------+-----------+ | Excalibur (99) | 210.614 | 1828 | 4650 | 979 | 284.987 | | Excalibur (95) | 209.541 | 1769 | 4469 | 979 | 273.901 | | Almace (99) | 224.840 | 1881 | 5007 | 1014 | 296.411 | | Almace (90) | 204.034 | 1744 | 4580 | 1014 | 271.146 | +------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
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possible to get rdm comparison like this?
1) Why is Gugnir the only one with a person attached to it
2) When are you going to start editing the OP with information posted
3) Once this is completed, will be a legendary topic, good work!
2) When are you going to start editing the OP with information posted
3) Once this is completed, will be a legendary topic, good work!
I sort of looked at RDM/NIN Excalibur builds. For outside content, Excalibur (99) / Almace (99) (Gain-STR) seems to be the best one can do. Almace 99 / Shikargar (99)(Gain-DEX) isn't that far behind this setup (-2.15%); however, and is about even with Excalibur (99) / Shikargar (99) (Gain-STR).
Bismarck.Diablosword said: »
1) Why is Gugnir the only one with a person attached to it
2) When are you going to start editing the OP with information posted
3) Once this is completed, will be a legendary topic, good work!
2) When are you going to start editing the OP with information posted
3) Once this is completed, will be a legendary topic, good work!
Gungnir doesn't have a person attached to it?
Also it would have been yesterday; however, I had a homework assignment that took me 24 hours longer than expected because I had to wrestle with LaTeX.
Or did you mean Luvdisc.
Valefor.Prothescar said: »
here's my overview of claustrum
This is faulse. I have seen two people with it and they do good work on SMN and blm. And I will write up a review myself in a few weeks as I will have empy and this finished.
I went ahead and put up the Mandau and Guttler analyses.
The Apocalypse analysis is awesome, but hasn't created any drama yet, so it's apparently not a complete apocalypse analysis.
RDM probably deserves a bit more mention for Excalibur melee RDM is about as viable as PLD at this point, so why the *** not.
There seemed to be some uncertainty around some aspects of Gjallarhorn so I'll hold off until those elements get settled. I have to do some post concatenation for Aegis so that'll come later too.
The Apocalypse analysis is awesome, but hasn't created any drama yet, so it's apparently not a complete apocalypse analysis.
RDM probably deserves a bit more mention for Excalibur melee RDM is about as viable as PLD at this point, so why the *** not.
There seemed to be some uncertainty around some aspects of Gjallarhorn so I'll hold off until those elements get settled. I have to do some post concatenation for Aegis so that'll come later too.
Relic and empy staves? Dafuq
Odin.Jassik said: »
Relic and empy staves? Dafuq
Honestly, if I were a pretty serious Summoner, I'd concider Claustrum(assuming I'd make a melee set, which I probably would) :P
ScaevolaBahamut said: »
Anybody who would put 99 Amano above 99 Koga is not someone whose opinion I'd credit.
That's fine and it's your opinion, but the person in question has played FFXI since PC launch, has 99 Amano/Masa/Koga/Yoichi for his SAM and many many other Relics and Empys. Has been a part of one of the most prestigious Linkshells in the game's history that accomplished many firsts within this game.
According to this person, most of the time:
Koga wins in Voidwatch.
Amano wins in Neo Salvage, Legion, Dyna and most roaming events.
Paper math always favors Koga but real world application is a lot different.
I don't want to name names but most of you can figure out who this person is. I'd appreciate not posting the name here though since I am not sure whether or not he'll want that attention. If he'd like to post within this thread, we'd all appreciate it though.
Bismarck.Amphion said: »
ScaevolaBahamut said: »
Anybody who would put 99 Amano above 99 Koga is not someone whose opinion I'd credit.
That's fine and it's your opinion, but the person in question has played FFXI since PC launch, has 99 Amano/Masa/Koga/Yoichi for his SAM and many many other Relics and Empys. Has been a part of one of the most prestigious Linkshells in the game's history that accomplished many firsts within this game.
According to this person, most of the time:
Koga wins in Voidwatch.
Amano wins in Neo Salvage, Legion, Dyna and most roaming events.
Paper math always favors Koga but real world application is a lot different.
I don't want to name names but most of you can figure out who this person is. I'd appreciate not posting the name here though since I am not sure whether or not he'll want that attention. If he'd like to post within this thread, we'd all appreciate it though.
I could see Amano beating Koga in certain situations. But I don't see Amano beating 99 Masa.
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The issue with mythics on paper is that they're penalized more than any other weapon type when dealing with situations not accounted for on spreadsheets (including the fact that you need to be completely focused to take full advantage of Mythic's lead when it's there, or your results will suffer tremendously). You figure out rather quickly where you should be using what. Empyreans are similar, but the disparity is much less drastic.
Bismarck.Amphion said: »
ScaevolaBahamut said: »
Anybody who would put 99 Amano above 99 Koga is not someone whose opinion I'd credit.
The issue is the 3-minute AM on Koga lines up with Meditate, though of course since I don't have it I can't confirm the real-world applications.
I'll be able to discuss this more when I win one from Mog Bonanza.
/swag
(T SYLOW thanks for the caveat re: Ruinator)
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charlo999 said: »
Bismarck.Kelhor said: »
stuff about a magic sword
possible to get rdm comparison like this?
I haven't had any time to really build proper sets/etc, but my guess is that they won't be too far apart. The one difference of note (that Sylow sort of touched on) is that a RDM is more likely to be dual-wielding, whereas a PLD never should be.
tl;dr: I want to, haven't had time, someone else wants to give me numbers I will cheerfully add them in :)
RDM is like DNC in that it gets to make two 99 ultimate weapons to fully optimize!
Or, you can just make Almace (99) and have it available for its optimal builds on PLD and BLU, sacrificing 2% melee RDM dps outside of Abyssea and coming out on top inside or in Voidwatch.
Additionally, CDC builds can only get better on RDM, sort of like Pyrrhic Kleos crept up for Derpy DNC with the addition of more STR/DEX gear.
Or, you can just make Almace (99) and have it available for its optimal builds on PLD and BLU, sacrificing 2% melee RDM dps outside of Abyssea and coming out on top inside or in Voidwatch.
Additionally, CDC builds can only get better on RDM, sort of like Pyrrhic Kleos crept up for Derpy DNC with the addition of more STR/DEX gear.
Fenrir.Sylow said: »
Bismarck.Diablosword said: »
1) Why is Gungnir the only one with a person attached to it
2) When are you going to start editing the OP with information posted
3) Once this is completed, will be a legendary topic, good work!
2) When are you going to start editing the OP with information posted
3) Once this is completed, will be a legendary topic, good work!
Gungnir doesn't have a person attached to it?
Also it would have been yesterday; however, I had a homework assignment that took me 24 hours longer than expected because I had to wrestle with LaTeX.
Gungnir and now G-horn have characters using them, while all the others are just the weapon by itself (which I think looks better). Very minor detail, just inconsistent. Honestly, doesn't matter because it's your guide and you get to do with it what you will. I just think for the sake of uniformity they should all be the same.
Oh, the reason for that is because I couldn't find equivalent images of Ghorn and Gungnir's models as the rest of them, and decided it wasn't worth it.
Also, if you want to be a pedantic supernerd, Apocalypse actually means "The Lifting of the Veil".
Yoichinoyumi: allow sam to be usefull in end game content again !
To be fair, isn't legion the only place you would ever use yoichi on sam over kogarasumaru?
Phoenix.Dramatica said: »
To be fair, isn't legion the only place you would ever use yoichi on sam over kogarasumaru?
I'd use it any roaming event, at the very least, keeping mythic AM3 in stuff like salvage/dyna farm seems really annoying.
With oat2-4 I'd guess it could pull ahead on vw too since capping ratt shouldn't be out of reach(if you setup toward it, wich is not always doable).
As of now, I only saw it shine in legion.
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