IiPunch - Monk Guide

You yourself say it is unnecessary to derail, so why mention it? Add some more filler to convince yourself you have a point to make..? MNK is more than capable of AOEing, period.

There's been countless argument about the difference in TP. Simply watching these videos illustrates MNK's largest selling point; drastic reduction in enemy TP moves. Nobody cares about Kin so much as having a visual reference. Saevel was trying to say there was no meaningful difference in TP, but this is clearly not the case.

Everyone who plays MNK with any frequency already knew this, but this gives us a reference point for it that's easily digestable to people who are blinded by numbers.

You only came into this thread to shoot down other people's enjoyment about something they like using straw-men and horrible excuse for logic. You've racked up almost 1000 posts in under a year without providing any information or helping any other user in any way. Your entire presence here is a waste of space, so I'm not sure you have as much of a high horse here as you seem to think.

Even Eiryl has more contribution than this.

Because nothing forces you to address it. I think it is a highly relevant point but I would rather not detract from the one important factor here that sent you and Bukkii wild: Nothing is going to change. It is nice and all, and play whatever jobs you like, but this is not game changing info and someone posted the exact same thing months ago (Cherrywine?) so why are we repeating history?
If you do want to discuss it, then do you not think a 2boxed/automated healer and BRD would be an issue to MNK cleaving because of needing to sleep between WS or to heal more? Of course it depends who is 2boxing them, if it is the MNK for example. If someone is 2boxing COR BRD or COR WHM or GEO BRD or GEO WHM it would make no difference, again there are infinite factors that would have to be considered rather than a single, out of context example.

Again, this was discussed and posted a few months ago. Nothing has changed since then, and all I am saying is that nothing is going to change from now. Rua makes nice videos, but this is not a new concept. Also, as Saevel says (and I am not one to follow or promote his general viewpoint), this is a very biased choice of mob.

Not really sure what you're going on about here. All I was saying is nothing is going to change. If you think my comment regarding dropping 200-300M on a job to potentially save a few minutes on one fight is a straw man then sorry but you missed the point I was making. It's easy to sit here and claim anyone can pull infinite gil but let's be realistic. That is a small amount of the playerbase. What % of players do you think can or would care do to it for MNK? Ignoring space limitations for jobs but again please don't take this and make it more than a side-note I am making.
I'd be worried if you'd read all the posts I've made because that would mean you'd be following me. Clearly you haven't though, because I have helped people. You effectively only post here to stroke your own ego. I'm not going to comment on that, but do consider how ironic this post is in the bigger picture.

If you find value in your life from posting ***on FFXIAH then so be it. I am happy for you.

i'm loving the shitstorm

And we fall back to the typical Saevel strategy of 'flood so much crap nobody can dedicate the time to read and respond to all of it', now with assistance from DirectX and 800% more memes.

Shame.

I'm not assisting Saevel and I am responding to the points that you are making so whatever.

If I'm completely honest with you the last time I recall you doing or saying anything remotely interesting was when you were 2boxing that crab NM about 9 years ago? Before you say I have offered even less to the FFXI community, bear in mind that it is you that takes personal value from this, not I.

I'll finish by saying that your performance has been disappointing today and resorting to personal attacks and talking about penises so soon in a pointless, dead horse beaten topic, like using MNK is very sad indeed.

Obviously anyone can tell MNK isn't getting SMN level of bandwagon.......MNK is just another DD that serves exact same purpose as drg dnc drk etc, unlike SMN uses entirely different setup and strategy.

But if you assume no one will be interested in giving MNK a try after they see the video, you are making a very big assumption in a big community with wide variety of players.

This just in: MNK stands for Memes, Not Knucks

I am curious, ruaumoko mentions 11 monster tp moves for monk-nin and 29 for sam-run, considering 4 of each of those moves for both teams is "Target" which is mandatory TP moves which will go off with or without tp (which is shown at 4:15 - 4:30seconds into the video where kin throws a TP, and the extended time was only because of a spell that came between the 2 tp moves)

In essence, it should be closer to 25-27 for sam-run and 7-9 tp moves for monk-nin depending on if "target" resets the tp feed. which means the tp feed could be alot more less,

while the question i am about to ask is a little pointless since subtle blow II gear has amazing stats so don't always gotta switch it out,I bring a question I put forth before, does monk's "Job Point" subtle blow actually break the subtle blow cap in which case using full subtle blow II equip could be 5% over cap if its capped like attack speed at 80%? or perhap does subtle blow II actually work more like penance tp reduction thus going over any said cap?

I expect most people here, including trolls, to know better than to post certain things and at this point, it just looks like someone was pushing for a ban.

yet, this is the argument for any anti-monk post. how ironic.

I'm a little worried since it falls right below my last post. I haven't ment any offence and i will delete my post if needed

On what basis are you getting that I am "anti-MNK"? Stating the fact that this video is not going to change how people do Kin on any noticeable, let alone significant, level does not mean that I dislike MNK.

If you want to claim that this is going to change anything then you need to question why it hasn't since the last time the exact same points were raised. Over 6 months ago.

you're saying nobody gives a ***about kill speed, but that's the biggest argument for not using MNK. If you're not concerned about kill speed, why wouldn't you use a safer strategy?

And I don't expect it to change much, I just think you're *** annoying.

It wasn't you.

Very possible you have a reading comprehension disorder. He never said you, just anti mnk in general. You're personalizing way too much

This, the biggest contribution of the video is to show that theoretical max dps ceiling doesn't mean ***when mechanics could change DD hierarchy completely. The worst is now best because of NM design,

People making an argument of "but it's just one nm" "this design favors mnk, not fair" or "nobody will bandwagon it" is missing the point.

It is? By who? I am sure the reason that noone uses MNK is because there is no solid evidence it is worth the effort for basically the entire population of the game. Claim I'm wrong if it makes you feel better, but ask yourself how many MNKs you see around and how even fewer of those are well geared.
This is Kin, really any discussion of speed or safety is irrelevant here. It's a non-issue. For less well geared or returning players if it was faster and safer on MNK than heavy DD then by all means that would be a very important issue.

I think you need to do something better with your life then get yourself riled up over something which you have only interjected yourself into.

Where were these claims made? That MNK is not used due to kill speed.

You mean you don't realize the entire discussion and argument as to why people don't include Monk stems from 1) not enough WS dps resulting in 2) slower content clears?

you literally said nobody gives a ***about killing faster when that’s the biggest advantage to not using monk.

That's literally the entirety of the "lolmnk" and "can't use monk" sentiment.

*edit, wow, lol, beat TWICE. in 20 seconds.

I've just gone back 6-7 pages to the start of the discussion and seen little to nothing about kill speed. Anyone arguing for kill speed, if they are, I don't think should concern themselves with something so irrelevant.

Thorny mentioned doing T2 bosses (I assume he means Dynamis here) on MNK MNK, that would be a more interesting discussion than Kin in my personal opinion.

Also not to go down the path of anecdotal, "prove it" or implying that I care about kill speed but I know I have seen Kin go down with WAR WAR in 5mins. Not 7min 40sec which seems very long. Innumerable factors would be involved etc, ultimately all irrelevant.

Just to humor you.... What reasons would you not bring a Monk to a fight, if kill speed is not the issue.

Regarding Kin:
1. I don't know any geared MNKs.
2. If I shout for DDs, as I have many times for Kin, a MNK has literally never replied anyway. Even if they did I would have to compare them to my other options and there is a 0% chance the OTHER DD is also going to be a NIN or MNK so it would not be worth it. If I DID have another NIN or MNK then I would have to see how well geared they are vs any other DD sending tells. I get tons of tells from DRKs when shouting, but prefer WAR and SAM to DRK personally.
3. Who said I wouldn't bring a MNK? I took your MNK in an SR run.

Also because I have an almost 100% geared WAR and SAM (on different chars) and I tend to play one or the other plus a support job (COR or GEO) for content I shout for. I shout for content so that I can use my DDs a lot because obv everyone just shouts for BRD GEO COR usually. So, because 1 DD is already not a NIN or MNK then there is no reason to get the other as a NIN or MNK either. That's probably my main reason personally.