IiPunch - Monk Guide

I understand now where you have confused yourself and started your trainwreck of posts. My two posts:
https://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/36705/iipunch-monk-guide/206#3363654
and
https://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/36705/iipunch-monk-guide/206#3363655

Were in direct response to Bukkii's post where he personally asked me a question;
https://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/36705/iipunch-monk-guide/206#3363653

You seem to mistakenly believe my posts were randomly written for no reason. You are wrong. Context, understand it.

The only thing I seem to get killed by on DD on any Cuterae is Diabolic Claw. It could very well be TP:fTP.

I also want to point out that with the 25~ second TP time using 3 MNKs as dps, you could potentially have a single SMN lock all TP with mewing lullaby. I may try that next time I want to waste a dyna timer.

I did not say you randomly write things out of nowhere either.....buukki asked a question, you answered and referenced your preference. I said you are talking about personal preference in ffxi, that's it. It doesn't go anything beyond that.


I didn't accuse you for randomly write things.

So me replying to a question asked personally of me offended you, why?

Nope, it didn't offend me.......do I seriously sound mad? I was typing all these perfectly calm.

Let me make this very clear.

When the video was out, you made an opinion about community isn't changing. Right or wrong, Its opinion at best, no one can really say for sure what people will prefer.

Buuki and Comeatmebro read it as you being stubborn anti mnk. Thus there were 5 pages of argument. Because you didn't make your pro mnk statement clear enough from the start.

I had nothing to do with this, only jump in to point out you are not being very clear about your intention and your points are largely irrelevant to what was being discussed.

Can you talk about your opinions about how community wouldn't change? Sure. Can you talk about you have WAR and SAM to get the job done thus you don't have to gear mnk for kin? Sure. But none of this is relevant to the discussion and more importantly, you present it in a way that it sounds like you are anti mnk to Buukki and Comeatmebro.

So they attacked you, and you fought back. And I jump in to make a few comment about dyna jobs and you are missing the point so you can see what's really going on.

And now I'm "offended" and attacking you in your eyes for pointing out why discussion turn into pointless arguments, ok.

If you are mad because people are here arguing, you aimed at the wrong person. It was Comeatmebro tossing personal attacks, not I. More like the other way around when you said I'm sucking his *** and attacking you.

Nope.

Let me reiterate once again, and even your hero Thorny has said the exact same thing a few posts ago: This has all been discussed before. Thorny even said himself it was "8 months ago".

Do you see people using NIN and MNK for Kin? Do you see pick up groups shouting for NIN and MNK? No, I thought not. On what basis do you think this is about to change? (Please answer this point)

To base my belief on the factual reality of the last year is not a baseless opinion. It is informed by reality. Like I said previously, let's wait and see. I even offered the only MNK posting here on my server to show me and he backed down.

idk, this is more or less the same conclusion I came to 13 months ago:

https://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/36705/iipunch-monk-guide/127/#3273315

https://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/36705/iipunch-monk-guide/127/#3272054

https://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/36705/iipunch-monk-guide/155/#3280164

I think there was a more explicit discussion of it at some point, perhaps 7 months ago, about whether Gin or Kin has innate regain and whether MNK matters at all. idk the specifics but I think it was between Saevel and Thorny.

I would suspect it is Kin.

Without parses or videos it will be dismissed as anecdotal but I would say that Kin does not act in a consistent manner run to run even with the exact same set up. Sometimes it seems to TP much more than others, and I don't know what would be the cause of that. I have killed easily >80 Kin.

What were the other two kill times for each setup? Do you also have parses of total run times for all 6 runs?

I didn't say your opinion about PUG's preferred DD is wrong in anyway, I only said it's your opinion and its not relevant to the discussion. It's like saying "I like cars" in the middle of "which fruit do you like" discussion.

can you stop derailing the thread just to attack people? thanks.

Afania, please block me and do not stalk and reply to my every post. I will block you again now as you are clearly incapable of following anything without derailing it. You haven't relieved Thorny for 30mins so go busy yourself.

Not interested in doing what you said because you said so.

Block me if you want, but i'm not blocking anyone, don't tell me what I do with my account.

And yeah I'm the person derailling the thread, ok. Kettle....black...

Stepped out of town for a few days. What to heck.

For those saying MNK can't cleave, if you look back there's some screenshots of 27k? Cataclysm on Omen mobs. It can cleave just fine.

It was regarding pulling mobs without a PLD or RUN, not dealing damage.

Is there any reason why you need PLD or RUN to pull mobs?

better make a video of it just in case.

Given the fact that MNK gains access to some pretty amazing Damage Mitigation gear, along with Chakra (a full heal), they would have no issue going to almost zero HP, and getting a full heal from JA on a pull, if expecting a sleep shortly afterwards. RUN is not much sturdier defensively vs a MNK, the difference being in their ability to parry and large idle regen sets to cut the difference, along with phalanx/ss/blink.

And better to be prepared for another 5 pages of irrelevant/missing the point comment like "But I already have WAR for cleave, why do I need to gear MNK" or "it's not gonna change what people shout for" after the video is done.

I'd like to see a MNK pull an entire floor, yes. Or a NIN.

Remember, 18/25% PDT II, Phalanx, 100 HP recovered per parry, Sentinel etc are all irrelevant , yes. MNK is now even as defensive as RUN!

I wasnt aware all that was necessary to pull trash in omen

I'm not saying it is but to pretend it doesn't help is showing how stupid some of the mnk fan boys are getting.

I've nowhere said it is not possible, just that is like to see it. I'm not sure if be ok to pull an entire floor on any 50% DT DD.

Block each other or take the arguing to PM.

The absurd leaps in logic this guy makes is baffling. Somehow "pulling trash fodder" in omen turns into "monk fan boys are pretending dt2 doesn't help". You see why I stopped replying to him?

+100.

Worse yet, got mad when others said "what you said here is not what we meant" nicely, then proceed with every forms of personal attack.

I almost feel guilty to reply people with zero idea what's going on like they're on med.

Please don't weaken your arguments with this kind of silly exaggeration, that only hurts your credibility (and encourages some of the replies you're seeing that move away from truly relevant points). You make some reasonable points and I always respect your input even when I don't necessarily agree with all of it; I generally think of you as someone who is usually a pretty reasonable person. I really don't want to have to willfully ignore complete nonsense like "RUN is not much sturdier".

I'm not going to say that MNK can't turtle up enough to pull some Omen trash mobs, if you feel like doing that non-essential thing. But come on... RUN is working with a LOT more advantages than some parry and idle regen. Even excluding the ~140mil Ergon weapon that most serious endgame tanking RUNs
prob have, you're discounting Battuta/Inquartata, insane elemental resistance and Valliance/Vallation, Foil, One For All/Liement, Pflug, a ton of Meva, Cocoon in the standard /BLU tanking sub...


To try to jump on a more... productive? tangent:

This is actually one of the good things about MNK, it's one of the easier jobs to gear to a respectable endgame level, especially if you already have other jobs that use light DD & 'martial artist' gear sets. MNK reforged AF/Relic sets aren't really vital/must-have stuff (a few nice pieces, but nothing super essential), and most of the other gear is useful for other jobs. HQ gear is obviously better, but NQ stuff (Su3, abjuration, Moon- accessories) is fine.

You'd generally want:
- Adhemar head/hands, useful for a ton of light DDs (alternative: Kendatsuba)
- Kendatsuba body/legs/feet, also useful for people who use SAM or NIN (also viable: herc body/feet, Samnuha Tights)
- A bunch of multi-job accessories. Most people with DD jobs probably have most/all of the relevant stuff like Sherida/Brutal/Cessance, DD rings, etc. Maybe Moonbeam/Moonlight neck and Moonbow Belt are more uncommon since they're used for less jobs.

So, the MNK exclusive stuff really comes down to:
(1) getting either (a) a Relic/Empy/Aeonic weapon, or (b) one of the other weapons that are more or less on the lower end of the "RMEA-tier" (Comeuppances, Jolt Counters) which are still plenty viable for the kinds of things you prob wanna use MNK for. Since focusing completely on DPS isn't quite as huge of a consideration in cases where you be more likely to want to use MNKs (that's kind of the whole point of preferring use of MNKs), it's really not as significant as it is on most DDs to to lose a little DPS from using a weapon somewhat below the absolute top tier.

(2) maybe picking up a couple of accessories you may not have had on other jobs - Moonbeam Neck and Moonbow Belt, perhaps.

(3) an Ambuscade cape or two.

From the perspective of "hey I guess we can try some stuff with MNKs", I'll admit that the barrier to entry is a lot lower than most jobs for people to gear up and use a lot of their existing equipment. Getting JP/gifts is the biggest slog, really.

Now, I *still* have yet to see much of a compelling argument that RNGs aren't generally a better choice than MNKs if you're strongly considering using "safer" DDs. But hey, if people want to use MNKs for that kind of setup I guess it works. At a minimum, I guess I'd agree that RNG is harder to gear to endgame levels, with expensive RMEA making a bigger difference and a lot more niche gear needed (reforged relic hat/body/legs, AF head/body, ranged only accessories, WSD/MAB pieces that are generally not used for much more than RNG COR, etc.)

What are you talking about? From a physical perspective, pulling fodder, none of the bolded is relevent. We're talking about pulling 127~ level monsters. Don't read too much into the comparison and dismissing the context here. A monk using Su3 and full DT set is just fine, comparable to a lazy RUN in their tank/pulling gear. I didn't compare the two in their ability to negate damage of all forms, was strictly speaking about the pulling aspect, since that other guy was claiming that MNK pulling was somehow gimped in some way. I'm not discounting any of what run can do to TANK. I know very well. But we're talking about pulling a few shitty monsters and aoe them down, which was that guy's original argument. No need to psycho-analyze into a rant.

Did you read past 7 pages of ***fest to know what Buukki is talking about though?

The context of this discussion is someone claiming a setup of NIN + MNK is not ideal for omen because it's going to be slow on fodder floor, because RUN is sturdier to pull on fodder floor.

I've pulled on aettir RUN before, the difference between a 50% DT DD and 55% DT RUN is small enough. When you are pulling, you are not parrying. So the argument of parry is invalid unless you pull then engage in the corner.

/BLU is also irrelevant since it's not a popular SJ in omen. I exclusively use DD SJ on RUN in omen, because /BLU isn't required.

I usually save battuta for mid boss, so I can DPS vomit on mid boss, so battuta makes no difference on fodder floors.

It's a lot safer to pull with an epeo RUN, obviously. But since the context of this entire argument is someone claming gearing MNK cost 200m gil and not worth it for omen, I don't think it's fair to compare an epeo RUN with a 50% DT MNK or NIN.

Just FYI, I didn't fangirl MNK, nor I have unrealstic illusion about a 50% DT DD's ability to pull fodders. I just think it's ridiculous to focus on fodder floor pulling ability as main argument, considering 90% of fodder floor speed is your proc speed and not even actual kill speed. Even if you don't proc it's mostly about cleaving speed anyways, ability to pull fodder rarely affect anything.

indi barrier, run in, curebomb the NIN, MNK aoe cleave, is it THAT hard?




The universally best setup for Omen/endgame content wasn't what was being discussed. Since appearantly you missed the show I'll rephrase exactly what happened in past 7 pages of ***posts.

1) Someone posted a video comparing MNK+NIN and RUN+SAM kill time on Kin to show how Subtle blow has meaningful impact on actual kill speed against an NM with special mechanics.

2) Someone intrepret the result as MNK fanboys and fangirls advocating MNK as best DD in omen.

3) 7 pages of ***fest.

the argument of none RUN DD's pulling ability on fodder is just byproduct of this ***fest. It's not even the main point of the video nor arguments.

nice goalposts