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SimonSes said: » MNK can be very complex actually. And yes, I still believe it's one of the simplest jobs around at those levels. For instances on MNK you don't have to care about spellcasting, magicbursting or a plethora of other things which are hard to skip even on a "basic" level, for multiple other jobs. Lakshmi.Buukki said: » I don't know of any scripting languages in detail, only query language. I could probably figure it out. I have been saying this for a few years now, so maybe when they release that expansion to the Far East, I'll be ready... Do tell massa
For the large majority of basically everything using both programs they're already fully done. You just have to fill in gear.
Not everyones file will have all the things you might want, but there's basically nothing you could want that someone already didn't. Finding them... and getting them to share is like pulling *** teeth... but it's there. Asura.Sechs said: » SimonSes said: » MNK can be very complex actually. And yes, I still believe it's one of the simplest jobs around at those levels. For instances on MNK you don't have to care about spellcasting, magicbursting or a plethora of other things which are hard to skip even on a "basic" level, for multiple other jobs. On basic level of BLM you wont be worry about melee aspect too, so you only need FC set and two nuke sets, which is even simpler than basic monk. Monk even at basic lvl has 2 TP sets (normal and footwork), 2 WS sets (Victory Smite and Raging/Howling/Tornado) and at least one function that equips Bhikku body for Impetus up. SimonSes said: » which is even simpler than basic monk. Every job can be played to very high degrees of complexity... or simplicity. But if you put all jobs on the same level in the hand of the same player, it's quite obvious to me how MNK is quite simpler than many of the other 21 jobs in this game. I find it quite a good job to start practicing with Lua or XML. SimonSes said: » Monk even at basic lvl has 2 TP sets (normal and footwork) Why would you even need a different Footwork set without Spharai's AM and on a "basic" level. Someone math out the difference between this "Footwork UP" set and w/o one. It's not as potent as Impetus for sure, and you lose a bunch of kicks due to spamming TP anyways. I really want to see the difference in just keeping your full MA set on and equipping a few kick pieces (bhikku+1 legs and af+3 feet).
i think someone did, and came up with bhikku legs and herc feet winning by a small margin.
gonna try to find the post. SimonSes said: » Going back to getting TP on monk.. I did some math to check what popular set options give the best TP gain. I used the set below as base and I was checking what's best in remaining slots. ItemSet 364076 Generally for TP gain the best seems to be Bhikku legs +1 with herc feet, but I want to provide perspective of how much better it is too. I dont know if I havent done too much or not enough rounding down, so true value might be marginally different. I didn't bother with Mache earring +1, because even for Godhands it looses with Telos earring. For Spharai I assumed AM up. Numbers will be average TP per round and average TP per sec. Without SAM roll during Impetus, so with Bhikku Body +1: a) Max Samnuha with 6%TA herc feet - Godhands 387, 184 - Verethragna 327, 174 - Spharai 357, 179 - Sagitta A 416, 207 - Sagitta B 395, 196 b) Bhikku legs +1, 6%TA herc feet - Godhands 391, 186 - Verethragna 332, 177 - Spharai 361, 181 - Sagitta A 420, 209 - Sagitta B 399, 198 c) Bhikku legs +1, AF+3 feet - Godhands 378, 180 - Verethragna 322, 172 - Spharai 350, 176 - Sagitta A 406, 202 - Sagitta B 388, 193 Few conclusions: 1. Sagitta A easily wins without SAM rolls and has ~18% lead over last option which is Verethragna. 2. Kick Attack option with Bhikku+1 legs and af+3 feet is around 1-2.5% behind Samnuha/HercFeet and around 2.5-3.5% behind Bhikku+1/HercFeet The same but with +68 STP SAM roll: a) Max Samnuha with 6%TA herc feet - Godhands 567, 270 - Verethragna 489, 261 - Spharai 535, 269 - Sagitta A 590, 294 - Sagitta B 592, 295 b) Bhikku legs +1, 6%TA herc feet - Godhands 571, 272 - Verethragna 495, 264 - Spharai 540, 271 - Sagitta A 595, 296 - Sagitta B 596, 297 c) Bhikku legs +1, AF+3 feet - Godhands 552, 263 - Verethragna 480, 256 - Spharai 523, 263 - Sagitta A 576, 287 - Sagitta B 579, 288 Few conclusions: 1. Spharai catch up to Godhands, Sagitta B catch up and very marginally beats Sagitta A. 2. Veret is still last, but the distance to Sagitta is smaller (Sagitta has 12.5-13% lead). Overall conclusion: Bhikku+1 legs, Herc feet and Sagitta A seems to be the best option for multi-step skillchains. On the other hand Spharai provides much better Fusion WS, so it might be hard to beat something like Asuran > Smite > Final > Smite. Also Godhands provides Radiance (I think) with Asuran > Dragon > Shijin > Smite, which is also better than double light with the same WSs with Sagitta. Going for more than 4 step with SAM roll also seems to be favoring Godhands, because of WS involved being highly boosted by TP bonus. Shijin > Raging > Asuran > Raging > Smite > Smite is probably the best 6 step Radiance on MNK? Is more than 2 or 3 multi-stepping even worth it tho? Isn't simple Smite spam with Veret better than any 4 step (at least with Impetus up)? I think it is and only Godhands provide enough arguments (skillchain bonus from AM, Radiance, TP bonus working well with Raging Fists/Tornado/Dragon, highest base damage working well for Asuran, boosted Shijin damage) to attempt 3+ multi-stepping, but maybe I'm wrong :P To be clear, that is strictly tp gain and nothing to do with which is better/best outside of how fast you gain tp.
I just started using bhikku legs+1 as I just recently got them and I'll admit I underestimated how good they were when asked about then in the past. I've got all 4 of the primary leg TP pieces but will probably stick with empyrean, cuz more monkish
Any reasons why asuran > howling > smite > smite not as good as asuran > smite > final heaven > smite?
Asura.Eiryl said: » To be clear, that is strictly tp gain and nothing to do with which is better/best outside of how fast you gain tp. With the best Veret build I came up with in sheet all combination of legs and feet are super close to each other. Impetus up, Footwork down Bhikku+1/AF+3: 8114 DPS Bhikku+1/Herc: 8056 DPS Samnuha/Herc: 8099 DPS Samnuha/AF+3: 8142 DPS They stay close like that also with FW up, Impetus down or both down or just FW up. Which is the best changes slightly during those JA phases, but they always stays close to each other. are you talking about motenten's or your own spreadsheet?
Lakshmi.Buukki said: » Do tell massa Code
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</weaponskill>Thanks Austar. I just dusted off the old Ashita and booted it up this morning. Will start working on it tonight and learn about it a bit more. Will hit you up for help
Ramuh.Austar said: » are you talking about motenten's or your own spreadsheet? Those dps numbers were from mnk sheet based on motenten's sheet. Got the link from somewhere here. Its called "DPS Calculator - MNK (12-2018)" Bahamut.Mayoyama said: » Hello :) I'm looking for some guidance for Shijin Spiral set. I loved Ruau's MNK guide but noticed it was lacking a gearset for this. I realise that this WS is lacking but I'd still like to make the best possible set for it (Godhands AM). I dont yet have 500 JP so I cant equip Kenda, so I am interested in seeing pre-500JP and post 500-JP options (And some clarification as to how certain piece compare like relic legs vs. Jokushu, Kenda hands' higher DEX vs Adhemar's higher STR and ATT) This is what I have set up myself (somewhat blindly guessing what might work) ItemSet 364150 Rao Togi +1 is path B Adhemar Wristbands +1 are path B Cape is 30DEX 20ATT/ACC 10DA Herculean Boots have 10DEX 22AC 20ATT 3TA Sorry to quote myself but it looks like my question got lost in among other ongoing conversations. Anyone mind giving some guidance? Bahamut.Mayoyama said: » Sorry to quote myself but it looks like my question got lost in among other ongoing conversations. Anyone mind giving some guidance? For capped attack it looks like Kendatsuba +1 4/5 + relic +3 legs + Monk's neck + the rest of your set. For uncapped attack it looks like your set might be the best, but Herc feet would need to have something like 4%TA, 10DEX, 15 att to beat Kendatsuba +1 (the ones you have are also slightly better than Ken+1) For pre-SU3 equip, try Adhemar Jacket+1, DEX path.
So I recently finished Vere and took it to rank 15. I'm really happy with the results. Just did dynamis D full clear wave 1 & 2 and got second on parse beating out some well geared, well skilled heavy DDs only losing to a R15 DP cor. Totally anecdotal, but with godhands I wasn't doing anywhere near as much damage. Will do some Neak spam or something to compare vere to GH.
I'm not convinced alternating Tornado Kick during footwork is worth it though. The 10% WSD on VS is really strong. Will test more later. T15 Vere is very strong. I’ve noticed a considerable difference in their performance since the acc/impetus buff. The fact that 3+ step chains are a pain on MNK really favors Vere as well.
Its not worth to change to tornado at 1000 tp for footwork with Veret. It is however worth to do tornafo if yoi happen to overtp to like 2000.
Veret is very strong during impetus. Spreadaheet shows 8100 dps which is very high. With both impetus and footwork up its 8800 dps but only for a minute. The problem is that dps drops to 6000 with impetus down, but i guess avg in 5 min is still around 7260 which is quite nice. Veret is also by far the highest dps on mnk especially during impetus. Taint said: » T15 Vere is very strong. Do they lose a lot of that extra oomph on PUP? i.e. Is it more Impetus that is making this weapon awesome? They are bis for impetus down too but the advantage over godhands os far smaller than, so yeah impetus is what makes it exeptionally good.
those values seem quite high but my simulation is a bit dated and working on an actual UI for it. those are nearing sam pre-augment numbers
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Impetus in general got an insane buff, I've noticed silly crit rounds on monsters with just Spharai, Godhands. I'm sure Verethragna damage is surely ridiculous and I don't deny it being very at the top as compared to before.
The price of HMP has skyrocketed recently, probably partly because of Caladbolg/Verethragna makers (maybe). nearly 8m/stack on asura and i'm stuck at this stage -_-;;; Lakshmi.Buukki said: » Impetus in general got an insane buff, I've noticed silly crit rounds on monsters with just Spharai, Godhands. I'm sure Verethragna damage is surely ridiculous and I don't deny it being very at the top as compared to before. The price of HMP has skyrocketed recently, probably partly because of Caladbolg/Verethragna makers (maybe). nearly 8m/stack on asura and i'm stuck at this stage -_-;;; Im on the other hand farmed 1300 hmp last campaign and was saving them fpr offhand almace but since my new Tizona build is so good I will rather make Veret :) Time to go back to my favorite grind in abyssea.. Chloris im coming for you.. 20-30 times.. Ramuh.Austar said: » those values seem quite high but my simulation is a bit dated and working on an actual UI for it. those are nearing sam pre-augment numbers spreadsheets often overvalue white damage |
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