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 Fenrir.Camiie
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By Fenrir.Camiie 2013-06-12 09:53:18
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http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-57588879-75/microsoft-exec-on-xbox-one-no-internet-get-an-xbox-360/

I guess they're doubling down on the "DEAL WITH IT" notion.
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By Phoenix.Archeim 2013-06-12 09:56:07
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yeah he already apologized. It was a stupid comment.

Most likely the fanbase would be like... nah... just getting a PS4.

Me personally... i did pre-order my xbox one though.
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By Asura.Squal 2013-06-12 10:01:21
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I'm not defending their stance at all, though I do like the whole "no internet? suck it!" attitude, its humorous, but who is really going to own an Xbox One or PS4 and not have an internet connection? I can't imagine there's a lot of people running out to buy a $500 video game system but can't or won't shell out $50 a month for an internet connection. Maybe I'm missing something, but I never understood the problem with requiring an internet connection.
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By Asura.Ina 2013-06-12 10:05:27
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The example that has come up before is people in the military often make use of them in their off time and won't have access to the internet. Alternately if you want to take it on a trip or something there is also the chance you will not have access.
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By Valefor.Fmaxgluttony 2013-06-12 10:08:07
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Meh this whole console war is beyond stupid. Get what you like and enjoy it I say. I personally am getting both since I don't mind either option for gaming.
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By Fenrir.Camiie 2013-06-12 10:09:37
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Asura.Squal said: »
I'm not defending their stance at all, though I do like the whole "no internet? suck it!" attitude, its humorous, but who is really going to own an Xbox One or PS4 and not have an internet connection? I can't imagine there's a lot of people running out to buy a $500 video game system but can't or won't shell out $50 a month for an internet connection. Maybe I'm missing something, but I never understood the problem with requiring an internet connection.

Some people would love to be able to shell out $50 a month for an internet connection, but they can't because there's nothing besides dial-up available. And, I don't mean on a nuclear submarine or in the heart of Antarctica. Right here in the USA there are people, who aren't nearly as far out in the boonies as you might think, that cannot get a connection that will work with this console.
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By Shiva.Eboneezer 2013-06-12 10:13:23
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Most of my friends don't play Xbox online. I just hate the fact that you can't take it with you on vacations and stuff where there's no internet. Sometimes it's nice to have something incase it rains at the lake, or to keep kids busy. Then again, I play against friends on Madden and NCAA all the time. Never needed the internet for that. I hope lag and loading times don't get out of hand though.

Seems weird how back in the NES and SNES days, I always wanted to be able to play against friends without them having to come over. Now I wish I had the option of just playing a game at my house anytime. The Xbox designers obviously don't have Time Warner Cable or I doubt they would have gone this route.
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By Asura.Squal 2013-06-12 10:13:58
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I guess those are a few instances of no internet that I didn't think of.
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By Caitsith.Shiroi 2013-06-12 10:15:07
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Console war is PS4 vs Wii U vs Xbox 360
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2013-06-12 10:17:56
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Really is a stupid decision though. No reason to require online for single player games.

That being said, if you don't have connectivity, the product is ps4, not xbox 360 lmao
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By Asura.Ivykyori 2013-06-12 10:20:49
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Shiva.Eboneezer said: »
Seems weird how back in the NES and SNES days, I always wanted to be able to play against friends without them having to come over. Now I wish I had the option of just playing a game at my house anytime. The Xbox designers obviously don't have Time Warner Cable or I doubt they would have gone this route.

Actually, I prefer to play games with friends physically rather than online. Nothing like playing a fighter and seeing their rage rather than just hearing it.
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By Fenrir.Camiie 2013-06-12 10:22:15
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Asura.Squal said: »
I guess those are a few instances of no internet that I didn't think of.

I totally understand. It's easy to take it for granted that everyone has access to the things we do.

I'd like to think that's the problem with these Xbox Execs. They live in areas with every imaginable type of service available. They live in a giant techno-bubble and can't comprehend life outside of it. It's ignorant, but I can understand the disconnect (pun intended).

The other option is that they just don't care. The question then is, if they don't care why should we?
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2013-06-12 10:25:21
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Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
Console war is PS4 vs Wii U vs Xbox 360

Wii U isn't even a contender. PS4 pretty much just ended it and took the throne back for a generation. Pretty arguable that, imo, that 360 won this round.

This coming from an 360 fanboy :|
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By Asura.Squal 2013-06-12 10:25:48
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Fenrir.Camiie said: »
Asura.Squal said: »
I guess those are a few instances of no internet that I didn't think of.

I totally understand. It's easy to take it for granted that everyone has access to the things we do.

I'd like to think that's the problem with these Xbox Execs. They live in areas with every imaginable type of service available. They live in a giant techno-bubble and can't comprehend life outside of it. It's ignorant, but I can understand the disconnect (pun intended).

The other option is that they just don't care. The question then is, if they don't care why should we?

I honestly didn't think dial up was even available, let alone anyone still using it to be honest. I have some friends that live in the middle of nowhere and they use satellite for cable and internet. I guess I assumed everyone in that situation did that.
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2013-06-12 10:26:38
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That comment was pretty tame compared to #Dealwithit debacle spearheaded by Adam Orth. But Microsoft should have known better than to handle it this way given Orth's commentary on this subject. Saying "Get a 360" is not a solution to the problem, and saying "I don't know what submarine operator does" may be true, but its not sensitive enough given the history of their poor marketing of this requirement.

They need to learn to do some damage control, and fast. There has to be somebody at Microsoft who can figure out the appropriate response to these questions because they're going to keep coming until November.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-06-12 10:27:42
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Sylph.Tigerwoods said: »
No reason to require online for single player games.
But then how will Microsoft watch you! *tinfoil*
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2013-06-12 10:28:36
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Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Sylph.Tigerwoods said: »
No reason to require online for single player games.
But then how will Microsoft watch you! *tinfoil*

They already are on your pc/laptop/tablet/lolsmartphone?
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By Ragnarok.Zohnax 2013-06-12 10:29:09
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Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »
Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
Console war is PS4 vs Wii U vs Xbox 360

Wii U isn't even a contender. PS4 pretty much just ended it and took the throne back for a generation. Pretty arguable that, imo, that 360 won this round.

This coming from an 360 fanboy :|
As Reggie said yesterday, Nintendo really isn't trying to compete. They're going to make their games and do their thing. If they can get some of the 3rd party games on their console as well, that's neat, but chances are, I'll keep using PS3/4 for those. At the same time, I'll always have room for Nintendo games.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-06-12 10:29:32
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Doesn't matter what you're operating, they must know!
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By Caitsith.Shiroi 2013-06-12 10:30:02
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Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »
Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
Console war is PS4 vs Wii U vs Xbox 360

Wii U isn't even a contender. PS4 pretty much just ended it and took the throne back for a generation. Pretty arguable that, imo, that 360 won this round.

This coming from an 360 fanboy :|

What's surprising me the most is that even if the PS4 dominated in Asia/Europe, the 360 managed the stay ahead with while only dominating the NA market.
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2013-06-12 10:30:41
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Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »
Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
Console war is PS4 vs Wii U vs Xbox 360

Wii U isn't even a contender. PS4 pretty much just ended it and took the throne back for a generation. Pretty arguable that, imo, that 360 won this round.

This coming from an 360 fanboy :|

What's surprising me the most is that even if the PS4 dominated in Asia/Europe, the 360 managed the stay ahead with while only dominating the NA market.
Stay ahead in what aspects? I know PS3 topped consoles sold. 360 may have more game sales, but I don't know.
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By Fenrir.Camiie 2013-06-12 10:30:59
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Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Sylph.Tigerwoods said: »
No reason to require online for single player games.
But then how will Microsoft watch you! *tinfoil*

Paranoid or not, if I did get an Xbone you can bet some electrical tape is going over that Kinect lens. lol
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2013-06-12 10:32:17
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Fenrir.Camiie said: »
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Sylph.Tigerwoods said: »
No reason to require online for single player games.
But then how will Microsoft watch you! *tinfoil*

Paranoid or not, if I did get an Xbone you can bet some electrical tape is going over that Kinect lens. lol
Better put it in a padded box, that mic can still hear you though the tape :/
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By Caitsith.Shiroi 2013-06-12 10:34:02
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Cerberus.Eugene said: »
Stay ahead in what aspects? I know PS3 topped consoles sold. 360 may have more game sales, but I don't know.

I meant, 360 managed to stay ahead in sales for pretty much the whole generation.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2013-06-12 10:34:03
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I don't get why the Xbox team didn't realize "So, uh, people didn't ask for this, we should just improve and work on the good stuff that worked while fixing some of the negative responses."

All Sony did was keep going in the "better hardware, get a good lineup this time, don't be stupid" and they just cleaned house.

Wii U doesn't really fight in the console war game. Nintendo does its own thing.
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By Fenrir.Camiie 2013-06-12 10:34:37
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Cerberus.Eugene said: »
Better put it in a padded box, that mic can still hear you though the tape :/

Crap, I don't want them to hear all my anime... Some of that stuff is kind of messed up.
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By Ragnarok.Zohnax 2013-06-12 10:36:33
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Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
Cerberus.Eugene said: »
Stay ahead in what aspects? I know PS3 topped consoles sold. 360 may have more game sales, but I don't know.

I meant, 360 managed to stay ahead in sales for pretty much the whole generation.
No, Wii took that until the past year or two.
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2013-06-12 10:38:13
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Wii doesn't count
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2013-06-12 10:39:42
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Well they proved a new business model with the Wii.

We can safely say that the Wii U is doing it's own thing, but no one really knew how the Wii would play out until it did.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2013-06-12 10:47:55
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Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »
I don't get why the Xbox team didn't realize "So, uh, people didn't ask for this, we should just improve and work on the good stuff that worked while fixing some of the negative responses."

All Sony did was keep going in the "better hardware, get a good lineup this time, don't be stupid" and they just cleaned house.

Wii U doesn't really fight in the console war game. Nintendo does its own thing.

It's clear the Xbox1 was designed for a casual audience that is interested in more than just a gaming device and MS took this to the n'th degree when marketing the console as an all-in-one box. SPORTS, HALO, CALL OF DUTY, IMPRESS YOUR FRIENDS KINECT, FEATURES! To the casual, the need to pay for used games and always be connected to the internet isn't a big issue moreso something that just happens because they lack the experience of not being so constricted on devices.

Remember, us gamers aren't the sole target market anymore though we're more than factored in when they designed the box. MS wanted to increase their market share and that means getting more than the typical fanbois and social outcasts who will snap up any console. This is the first generation of consoles designed with more than the niche hardcore gamers in mind and it's already known that hardcores will buy every console even if one were a brick spraypainted "Xbox 720".

The seething hatred of intrusive as *** DRM and losing what we already took as commonplace (buying and playing used games) naturally doesn't rub well with gamers so all PS4 had to do was show up and they had gamers on their side.

Wii-U is a pretty good console but Nintendo needs to advertise it more and the lack of games doesn't help when developers don't want to build gamers for it. Nintendo's aversion to DLC is a breath of fresh air in a business atmosphere that seems obsessed with nickle and diming players to pay for content they already paid for.
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