Bushido - The Way Of The Samurai (A Guide) V. 2.0

they're not significant. regal/niqmaddu is fine or regal/nq

I disagree a little here. We are talking about one slot here and imo 500 damage difference in one slot IS big. I mean 500 damage is probably almost the damage that Regal adds to WS. Take that not significant 500 dmg on 13 "armor" slots and you will get 6500 difference. Stuff like this adds up.

I mean we would need to add context I guess. If we are talking about getting stuff done? It's not significant in one slot. If we are talking about min/maxing it's very significant.

it really isn't. that isn't even 1% increase and doesn't consider how the negative store tp will affect it, which is easily going to match or beat the 0.2% ws increase.

there are also things not being taken into account such as fSTR or not being attack capped. even if you're close but not capped, regal will surpass the other options.

When Regal's STR and att matters for fSTR and attack on Masmaune SAM, then you probably facing some very high level target and you wouldn't use Niqmaddu then, because your MA proc hits are most likely severely acc uncapped. So Epam/Regal then.

kari/regal. epam is way overrated.

It's not overrated. 12.3TP that you lose/gain from Epam vs Kari+1 with Masamune on WS, transfers to something like +0.5% WS damage. Even with high WSD, diminishing return will only lower effectiveness of 1% WSD advantage of Epam to around 0.6% increase of WS damage. Epam will still slightly win or in the worst case tie with excellent ring that Kari+1 is.

Other thing is that you actually need to have Kari in the first place and +1 version too, which is not something that everyone have.

karieyh/epam
Average of runs: 10298.76
StD: 443.943105337
Range: 3011.620000000001


karieyh/regal
Average of runs: 10225.0
StD: 442.998045913
Range: 2982.8099999999995


karieyh/niq
Average of runs: 10324.73
StD: 444.263463511
Range: 2959.84

regal/niq
Average of runs: 10229.24
StD: 457.180711471
Range: 2954.1800000000003

regal/epam
Average of runs: 10240.02
StD: 451.504717463
Range: 3003.0199999999986

epam/niq
Average of runs: 10318.56
StD: 432.426861785
Range: 2773.1399999999994

they're all basically equal. two are better with worse gear and one is quite a bit better when attack/fSTR isn't capped, the latter of which is a lot more common than you think. you need 168 STR over a mob's vitality to cap and even lower tier apex mobs are in the 250 or more range. These are DPS values spamming Fudo as soon as you can so TP overflow is considered for all of them. it's also a simulation, so the values aren't the same every time, just like they aren't in-game. the range is the difference between the lowest and highest result over a three minute fight (of 5000 runs each.)

still AT BEST, barely ~1% over the "lowest" result, all of which can go up or down a couple percent average.

I know that, but R15 Masamune SAM has something like 440 STR without rings in WS set and Boost-STR puts you even higher, so realistically you are fSTR uncapped only in DynamisD? (in escha vorseals probably cover the needs for most stuff? or maybe not? Im not sure :P)

Anyway I don't think Epam is overrated. It's the best ring for WSs that use WSD and in worst case scenario tied with Kari+1. Not to mention that outside of Fudo there are many WSs that use WSD and have higher fTP, less TP loss from -10sTP, no TP scaling or have no Regal or Niq option (or mix of few of that things) and then Epam is even better for them.

when everyone thinks it's so great and is basically equal with regal/niq for those without kari, it's pretty overrated. as for other jobs and stuff, i don't care about that since we're talking about the SAM options.

I personally think Niq is overrated :) Even on something like dynamis MA proc doesn't matter for fodders because, mobs usually dont have enough HP on wave 1 and 2, so all those QA proc are wasted. On wave 3 mobs have too much evasion and MA hits probably have around 50-70% accuracy + fudo is 1hit so only one chance for MA proc too happen. I would use Epam/Kari for low lvl stuff and Epam/Regal for high lvl stuff. Without Kari I would use Epam/Regal on everything.

If epa is overrated because it gives the same numbers as niq, it means niq is overrated too following your logic?

i guess you didn’t read my post on the previous page and are just arguing to argue now

Can't argue with logic, if epa=niq and epa=overrated, guess what niq=? simple math.

that’s not even logical for one thing

It is not when you're biased.

Guys just stop. This was simple math and scenario debate and I have no idea why it went that way.

So to pull the thread back into a decent direction, going to requote this. Anyone mind showing there Impulse Drive sets or do we just go with our fudo WS set?

Fudo set

Just noticed that Moonlight Nodowa still sells for a decent price. Is there a chance it'd become useful again through Zanshin +10 or is it completely a downgrade and I can happily sell it?

More or less, yeah... but one thing that might cause some slight adjustments is the higher value of crits with Shining One. Doesn't make a huge difference in overall sets, but there are a few slots that it may be a consideration for both Impulse Drive and even moreso for Stardiver:

Head: Rao+1 (already in the High/Max acc Fudo sets) may get the nod over anything but a truly stellar Valorous (even at lower acc), thanks to more crit rate.

Hands: Flamma +2 look pretty good here to me - might beat Valorous? 8% crit rate and substantially more DEX (even more crits) than Valorous, similar STR (10 more than base Valorous), great acc. In exchange for WSD augment and potentially slightly higher STR on Valorous with good augs.

Feet: Unless you truly need max acc, I'd err on the side of Valorous Greaves (already in the Low/Mid acc Fudo sets)
over Relic +3, thanks to Crit Damage +4% on Valorous. If you're using the higher acc Rao+1 head, that may balance things out anyway though to give you some more wiggle room on acc.

What about ryou+1 hands?

This highly depends on your target. For high ilvl targets going into dex range where it will have value for crits is very unlikely.

SAM in Fudo set with Shining One has like 240 DEX and you need 50 DEX over enemy AGI to cap dDEX and big jumps starts from 40 to 50 DEX over enemy AGI. Apex mobs around lv 130 has like 250 AGI, Apex mobs around lv 135 have like 275-300. WoC has 400. You won't be going even close to positive dDEX on anything serious.

ItemSet 365722

Set for higher TP Impulse Drive.

you running fudo set below 1990 tp

and that set above 1990 tp?

This set is actually a little different than usual WSD, but it's not that bad. It will have similar avg WS damage probably, but the range of min and max damage will be much wider. You are lacking 15% WSD from head, hands and ring. 15% WSD is ~0.7125 fTP at 2500TP. In exchange you are getting 16STR (vs max Valorous augments), 3%QA, 5%TA, 6%crit rate and a lot of accuracy. That QA and Ta will on avg give ~0.37FTP, so more than half of that 15%WSD. 16STR is worth around 3-4%WSD at this point. So we getting around 3%WSD vs 6% crit rate, accuracy etc.
It will be close (especially if you lack perfect 5%wsd/10STR augments on Valor), but WSD set has definitely more consistent damage.

anyone have a lua they currently using they would like to share. thank you in advance

Highly recommend Sel's

https://github.com/Selindrile/GearSwap/tree/master/data

We’ve been living a lie. Pdif cap on GKT is testing at 3.5 on the NIN forums.

I just pulsed the polearm and was wondering if impulse drive will be the WS to use in most situations for consistent damage or if i should be doing stardiver or another WS?