Supporters Rise Up To Defend Confederate Flag

Mississippi was cotton rich.


Seriously, the south was not poor, people. Have you ever been to an old plantation house and then into old slave houses (those that weren't burned)?

This is family ownership since women and children could not own property they would not be listed as owners.

You quoted when it passed out of the house and before it transferred to the senate.

The senate was democrat controlled and the bill was tabled until after december 1860.

It was not adopted until March 2, 1861.

After the South started to secede*

So let me get this straight, having an average income of $11 a month in 1850 for Mississippi, somehow 49% of the population (in terms of families) were somehow able to afford ~($1000-$2000) for each slave?

Did they have credit cards back then or something?

http://www.google.rs/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=8&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CEEQFjAHahUKEwj434vr0djGAhVBFiwKHYsTBOc&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nber.org%2Fchapters%2Fc2486.pdf&ei=U_ajVbjqG8GssAGLp5C4Dg&usg=AFQjCNFLxGjRRfQDg91Ymty1eShE_IpZuQ&sig2=_VE4gdFtb_o2lY9z7vkWKg

Ugly link, but it works to find that source.

hmm~


http://americancivilwar.com/authors/black_slaveowners.htm

many (probably all) flags represent evil to somebody. even if that is not the real purpose of a flag. for example: a pirate flag represents a gang of thieving murderers to some people and to others it represents an act of war by a group of people, or to some people it is fighting for what they have been denied, and to others its a baseball team. whatever it means to YOU is what is means in your own eyes. forcing your views on others is not ok.

I think we need to take it a step further let's just erase the Civil War from History books. It might offend people !

With the importation of slaves was prohibited in 1808 I am highly doubting that many slaves were still in effect some 50 years later, even with smuggling there is no way to reach those numbers.
from 1810-1865 only 51k slaves were reported to still have been imported to N. America,
388k slaves shipped to U.S.

look I can find opposing numbers online too

more random numbers

That census is stating nearly 4 million slaves in 1860 alone. How many would have died off from 1810-1859? You are telling me that 4 million new slaves were there in 1860?

Yeah I can find random mismatched numbers online as well.

Page 6 on the PDF or 453 of the text:

Gah formatting isn't working.

The PC crowd will not tolerate any other interpretation of the confederate flag but their own.

Except in this case, where the losers are permitted to create a fantasy about how they weren't REALLY on the wrong side of history or at least sweep it under the rug.


hahaha oh ***

WHO would abolish it?


rights of a human being, certainly, but apparently not the rights of three fifths of a human being

Anyway, we fortunately do not need to speculate what the motivations of at least a great number of treasonous Confederates actually were, because they were quite happy to tell whoever would listen.

I could fill up this page but you know what, just do a ctrl f + "white" and see what happens.

You completely miss the point that it was signed in May 10, 1860, the south seceded in December the same year, 7 months later. The bill may not have gone into effect but it was already signed and ready to become the law. 7 months is plenty of time for the south the find out back then and spread word everywhere to take a stand.

If a bill was passed that you were to pay 50% of your wages to the government as well as everyone in a section of the country you lived in, I am pretty sure you and everyone around would stand up and fight for your money in 7 months or less even if the bill didn't go into effect for another 9 months.


Literally from the third paragraph of the wiki page for Slavery in the United States.. Anyway aren't we supposed to be talking about a flag or something?[/quote]

And you missed the point of random mismatched information you can find online. For every link that says one thing you can find another link that says something else.

Using the basic understanding of math and history, the earths population raises 1.7% per year, taking the 51k people and multiplying them for 50 years by 1.7% each year will not grow to 4 million people, you have to consider deaths and the average lifespan of people 150 years ago.




...... 1.7%......

OK well, I'll check back in when someone is able to explain to me how a family making, let's say $15 a month (to be generous) is able to afford (being generous again) $500 for a slave?

That's 33 1/3 months to save up for a slave if they spent nothing on food, clothing, etc. And I'm being really generous on these figures.

Even though figures indicate $11 a month on $1000 minimum, which would have been 90.9 months without food, clothing, etc.

You don't get to rewrite history to feel better about yourself.

Well, who am I kidding? Of course you do! You just need to endure people calling you on your *** from time to time.

What is with all the numbers ! My mind can't do basic math on a Monday.

Go learn how laws are made, as I didn't miss anything.

Here:



Not to mention that your assessment of the bill is wrong.

I'm not garbage I'm and amendment do be as an amendment to be and I'm hoping that they ratify me !

That is dramatically higher than average wages for other careers during this time period. As far as I'm reading this isn't in 1960 USD (when the article was written) but historic USD. Look at footnote 10 on p. 454

Edit : Hmm, read that incorrectly first pass.

You should also calculate how many births occurred.

You have no concept of what actually happened. You are throwing out biased objections without any factual standpoint.

THE BILL WAS SIGNED 7 MONTHS BEFORE THE OPPOSITION.

How hard is that to understand?

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/36-1/h151

I'm just taking in all the peoples feels on the confederate flag. So much feels everywhere!

You sound surprised. You must be new here.

I'll quote it again since apparently you don't comprehend it:



I'll give you a hint: bills don't become law until they're passed by both houses and signed by the President (or until they override a Presidential veto).

This is grade school stuff.

I mean it's not like human beings (even in horrible conditions) can procreate, right?

What exactly are you trying to argue here?

Per the census information here(table 70), in 1790 the US had ~700k slaves, and in 1850 had ~3200k slaves

Are you suggesting that:
No slave trading continued?
Population growth was unable to meet a 5x increase over ~3 generational periods (60 years)?

From US census information?

Yes, grade school stuff that you don't seem to comprehend.

Not into effect, but will be, 7 months of spreading the word knowing something will happen, 7 months of built up frustration knowing your taxes are to rise from 20% to 47%, 7 months knowing that you will lose the majority of your income. 7 months of time to prep to prevent the lose of income....

Use commonsense.



1.7%.....

And that is a generous number considering the conditions during that time.

Perhaps if you'd stop rewriting history.

Again, I'm all for flying the 'rebel' flag on your property but take that disgraceful symbol of a dark time in American history off my government buildings. K thanks.

You're the only one not comprehending things here guy.

You're wrong on every single last point.