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 Quetzalcoatl.Xilkk
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xilkk 2017-09-23 06:37:39
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I'm interested in putting together a blu tanking set.

the main guide talks about how blu has such fantastic enmity generating spells and damage mitigation tools, and its true.
However it doesn't appear as if anyone is actually trying to tank on blu.

I'd like to give it ago. I also noticed a lack of enmity + set or tanking spell set ideas. I'll see what I can put together, but I thought I'd check to see if anyone has already tried things out or put sets or lua rules together for it.
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By Sylph.Atigevomega 2017-09-23 09:15:43
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Honestly, because we already do it... Tanking on BLU you can do with pure dmg in the current game, occultation is fantastic for mitigating non-aoe hits, saline coat/magic barrier are awesome for incoming magic dmg, cocoon, barrier tusk, and diamandhide are great additions too. Couple all that with your PDT/MDT sets that honestly, everyone should have even if not a gearswap/ashitacast user, and the fact that we can push Magic Fruit incredibly high for cures... (seriously I just did a 1104 magic fruit on myself) we are machines. May not be kings of dmg (but damn good at it) but our sustain and survivability are insane.
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By Yandaime 2017-09-23 09:41:04
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Yes, BLU is very capable of tanking a great many things and probably able to tank current End-Game content as well. However, BLU's tanking in some form relies heavily on spell casting; usually making some fights tricky if the NM keeps spamming TP. This is likely the reason that the times I saw Spicyryan tanking he was either disengaged or PASSIVELY engaged.

What it all boils down to is that it won't be quite as well suited for it as PLD or RUN as any attacks that made it passed BLU's impressive defenses would hurt it more than it would the RUN/PLD. Add onto that, the fact that a lot of NMs have buff erasing moves too. BLU is considerably more vulnerable with it's buffs stripped vs PLD or RUN who naturally have silly-strong defenses even when stripped or can recover their defenses very quickly.

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PLD can get stupid-high HP which is a factor on some NM's special attacks. I think RUN can as well? Not sure on that one actually. BLU can also get high-er HP but not without sacrifices I believe. I could be wrong.

***Edit***

More to it, I honestly dislike tanking myself because I have trust issues with WHMs that I don't know lol. Because if they are too slow on the cures/nas/etc I'm kinda screwed. I mean it's kinda hard to Magic Fruit when the NM is trying to pull off a combo.

I would MUCH prefer to sit there with an awesome tank that can actually hold hate against me so I can have some fun and really tear that poor NM to shreds! The best tanks I've ran with are usually able to hold that NM for around 35% of it's HP with me going as hard as I want before it eventually starts swinging at me. It works more favorably that way imo. BUT I am prepared to tank if its a slow night and one can't be found.
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By Asura.Kuroganashi 2017-09-23 09:46:49
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you wanna tank on your TP, PDT/MDT accordingly depending on how the enemy behaves.

Whenever you provoke you wanna equip your Enmity+ Set

But don't full-time Enmity+ SET that is just not good.

I will show you my sets for BLU:

TP Set:
ItemSet 338919

PDT Set:
ItemSet 353339

MDT Set:
ItemSet 353341

Enmity+ Provoke Set:
ItemSet 353340
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By Scintila 2017-09-23 09:49:28
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I never use pdt/mdt anymore, hybrid when shadows are down, otherwise always dd.
By Asura.Kuroganashi 2017-09-23 09:52:28
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Scintila said: »
I never use pdt/mdt anymore, hybrid when shadows are down, otherwise always dd.

You do whenever you get Petrified/Asleep

and also, you wanna keep up:

"Occultation"
"Erratic Flutter"
"Sudden Lunge"
and make sure you have "Magic Fruit" Equipped so you can heal yourself.


If you got all the right Sets of armor it will heal for between 1,000~1,500 Each Magic Fruit :)

Also with good enough Blu skill+ your Occultation will be quite useful :)

GL ^^/

(You can refer to my Itemsets if you wanna check the Gear you need to be using).
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By Siren.Kyte 2017-09-23 10:21:37
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Asura.Kuroganashi said: »
Enmity+ Provoke Set:
ItemSet 353340


BLU can't use those gloves; I use Nilas.
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By Asura.Azriel 2017-09-23 10:45:12
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I did /tank/ all T1 and most T2 so far escha related, sometimes also Ambuscade when DPS tanking was viable - depending on if you /WAR or /RUN you will cast more or less just flash in all forms and turtle up urself in maxed PDT/MDT when big moves are incomming. Rest you try to stay alive self buffing and WS spamming while usint temp items to increase your survival chances (something most PLDs and RUNs dont do - lol) :x

As for gear, i only tried Sword/shield once and i think its a huge loss in performance ;/ So i sticked to 2 swords and played DPS tank while beeing able to survive ***because of turtle gear :x

To know when to put magic shield up, when to recast MG, when to use saline coat, when to go /war and when to /run has prolly more value then all the enmity+ you could aim for.

Knowing the mobs pattern/moves was half my bread and butter, so thats that. I also started with a pure PDT/MDT- set with barely any acc on it to Herc gear with DMG-5% augments and at least some acc on it, so i can actually hit sometimes when in turtle mode.

Other then that, putting spells together for each single higher NM was a huge PITA, for most T1s and T2 so can go full DD spell list with 2 or 3 support spells wich switch depending on the NM (dispel/saline coat/abusive use of White Wind/fantod/nukes/etc).

Most of the T1 i been able to land some Sudden Lunges wich greatly helped surviving at times, its good to know what you can stun and how often ^^
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xilkk 2017-09-23 10:59:02
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Thank you for the blue enmity set Kuro. thats very useful.

I have decent dt set on blu.

My thoughts were more about holding hate in a full party setup.

Sure PLD and RUN are the kings of tanking; thats not the point.

It can be plenty beneficial be able to focus blu just on tanking sometimes. I'd rather swap my spells than swap jobs alot of the time.

The real test would be if blu can hold hate in a full party situation/supertank in a party/Boss situation. Can retake hate quickly when hate is reset/etc.

Can it tank in ambu/omen/ geas fete t3+

yes, the niche is that blu can generate lots of hate w/out engaging/facing/feeding tp but can it manage in a situation where normally you would use a PLD or RUN.

when talking about sets, I was thinking about spell sets for controlling enmity.
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By Asura.Azriel 2017-09-23 11:18:03
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Can switch Begrudging ring with Supershear ring - it has no downside like taking 10% more dmg :x

Get a Goading Belt imho, it also has Haste and contributes towards recast for spells.

Yeah and hands would be Nilas.

Don't see any other improvements.
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By Siren.Kyte 2017-09-23 12:59:44
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I would tend to recommend Obatala or Zoar over Ocelot for similar reasons. It isn't a huge deal when using JAs for enmity, but for anything with a cast time, I'd rather not use non-ilvl gear.
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By Sylph.Oraen 2017-09-23 13:44:31
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If you're looking for just raw enmity on your JAs and low recast spells, this is the best you can use:

ItemSet 353351

BLU has their native 15% Fast Cast from Erratic Flutter, so you probably won't need to make swaps, but if you find some of your spell recasts are too long for your liking, swap in some FC in place of low enmity options. Examples would be Weatherspoon over Pernicious, Witful over Goading, Carmine Mask +1 over Rabid Visor. Again, not likely you'd need it, but if you wanted to build the set for longer recast enmity spells, such as Jettatura, it's an option.
By Asura.Kuroganashi 2017-09-23 17:44:31
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Siren.Kyte said: »
Asura.Kuroganashi said: »
Enmity+ Provoke Set:
ItemSet 353340


BLU can't use those gloves; I use Nilas.
What? they can't use Enif Manopolas ? :O wow........ I learned something new now, even tho says BLU in there and I Can equip them.

Cool thanks for letting me know Bro !
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By Quetzalcoatl.Commencal 2017-09-23 17:51:27
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Asura.Kuroganashi said: »
Siren.Kyte said: »
Asura.Kuroganashi said: »
Enmity+ Provoke Set:
ItemSet 353340


BLU can't use those gloves; I use Nilas.
What? they can't use Enif Manopolas ? :O wow........ I learned something new now, even tho says BLU in there and I Can equip them.

Cool thanks for letting me know Bro !

He's correcting Kurys Gloves that were in that itemset before it was edited.
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