Will WoW Classic Affect FFXI Playability?

Are many FFXI players going to try this out?

Of the 2300ish people online on Asura when I play in the evening (UK time) I bet about 1200 are afk, 700 are mules, 100 are RMT and there's only really ever 300 people actually online and playing. If 50-100 of those go to WoW Classic the game could be even more dead in EU time?

I'll still be here and won't be trying them.

What the *** is WoW!?

If anything it will impact ffxiv player numbers, which will also be impacted by black desert coming to consoles soon and pso2 is also launching next year to all platforms in the west.

as long as pso2 is a good port and doesnt withhold updates that the japanese have had for years(looking at you PSU...), then Ill be quitting ffxi for a while at least.

i will def play it again but casually since il be very busy, for a year and a half, i actually did play in Elysium, / light's hope

EXCUSE ME

I was invited to my old guild's Discord and they're already talking about grinding High Warlord again and I feel really bad for them.

If all the WOW people leave XI, does that mean we never have to hear the word "toon" again? Because that could be worth it...

never really been interested in WoW

FFXI much more to my tastes.

Tried almost every mmorpg. I will probably try classic wow too. In the end i will return to ffxi. New ffxiv expansion was not even able to keep my interest for a week for example.
There is no place like vana'diel. It just feels like home.

I never played any other MMO and never intend to. What did they add to FFXIV?

That's an addiction. And likely the reality for most people still playing XI to this day.

I like being addicted to ffxi tbh. There is worse stuff then watching your Moogle spin for hours in your Mog House.

The worst thing about wow clones is:

Skill rotations:
> f1, f2, f3, f4, f5,
> f1, f2, f3, f4 (f5 not ready)
> f1, f2, f3, f4, f5.

Constantly press those buttons in rotation over and over and over again on cooldown like a trained chimp, literally endless rotations. Some of them (they all pretty much copied it off each other) try to add a little extra "gameplay" to break up the repetitive busywork by adding "ooh no! get out of the red telegraphed area player!" but that's stupid pointless garbage too.

Second worst thing about wow clones is the world is completely pointless, you can sit in town and press a button on instance matcher (almost everyone will do this) and be warped into the dungeon when the 20-30 minute is up to make the party (unless you play tank or healer ofc and then it's 5-10 minutes wait). After you complete the dungeon and get your whatever rubbish you did it for, nobody says anything you leave and....you do it again over and over in a cycle till you log off.

Third worst thing about wow clones is constant gear replacement, every 6-12 months or so they bring out new dungeons with new gear that make all your old gear complete garbage. You literally just throw it away (even though you had to put lots of effort to get it) and jump on the treadmill again to get this all new gear and weapons that again will be made obsolete in 6-12 months again. while grinding all this new gear again you KNOW it will be obsolete in the next rotation, after a while this really starts to grind on you and leads to some people quitting when they cba to start again.

Fourth worst thing about wow clones is the amount of """optional items""", they nickle and dime you over everything and those "cosmetic only" micro-transactions are a lot more predatory than you think they are. You can easily end up spending more on outfits or mounts than the cost of the game and/or the sub, once you're in the matrix those fancy outfits have way more pull on your wallet than you think they do.

Fifth worst thing about wow clones is they have almost no communities and server populations are meaningless (for the majority of players) at all since almost all the content is dungeons and the games have instance matching so you will end up almost always playing with random people from other servers that you'll never come across again and that don't even talk most of the time at all, basically they might as well be npcs cause they don't even say hi or bye. Even if you play ffxi alone you'll still end up being familiar with people from yells or people you always run across going to the auction house etc, you'll still get to be familiar with peoples names. This makes a feeling of familiarity and realism to the world and a feeling of a community in the worlds you play on. FFXI also has far less churn in players, so you're more likely to see the same people even after breaks and you get a really nice feeling of familiarity when you return and see those names again (even if you don't actually know them to talk to).

Sixth worst thing about wow clones is they keep wiping the slate clean and making all new content to do, ffxi builds on content and is always in addition to the other stuff. It's always been like that.

Seventh worst thing about wow clones is quest based leveling, with stupid narrative quests you get from an npc that you never read anyway and are almost always the same boring trash over and over, they are really boring but you have to pay attention just enough to where you can't just switch off and nobrain your leveling (which makes it really damn annoying, far worse than mindless grinding of killing monsters for xp). They force you to move locations as and when they tell you, you go where they tell you and do what they say.


FFXI has much slower gameplay and it's less annoying because of that, it's more fun and relaxing to play cause you're not constantly pressing 1,2,3,4,5 or running out of red circles. It's an mmorpg, it's supposed to be more relaxing and goal orientated (whats the point playing a goal orientated game when they keep smashing up the stuff you work towards with constant gear "progression"?), if you want to mash buttons you can play DMC or something.

The world feels real because you have to goto places to do content, instead of just sitting in the afk spot and pressing instance matching.

FFXI servers have communities, even if it's "oh that guy is a potato", "that guy is a real troll" or "that person is a really good player who makes good groups" or "that person is nice", you really get none of that outside of your guilds on other games because most people do content in instances and don't really need to walk around the worlds.

FFXI has very few micro-transactions for you to get lost in because the engine can't support a cash shop, it still has ways to spend more money than basic fee but it's far less predatory than fancy outfits or mounts on other games so you're far less likely to spend silly amounts of money. If you play ffxi you pretty much know exactly how much you're going to spend per month, this is NOT the case on almost any other mmorpg you can play.

FFXI has gear ceilings, if you put a lot of effort into getting good gear and take a year or two off. When you come back that gear is still either really good or good enough to get the few extra bits you need. Most of the content always remains, so again if you take 1-2 years off and come back people still are doing ambuscade, reisen etc so it's easy to slip back into playing as it was when you played last. There is no massive hurdle of entry as is the case with every other mmorpg that keep on re-inventing the running wheel.

I've played every mmorpg, I always come back to ffxi because of these things and not because of "addiction". The only MMORPG that kind of stuck with me for a while was Tera, I found the action combat really fun but the negatives above killed that for me after a while too.

Oh and above and beyond why wow clones suck, ff14 sucks because in addition to all the stuff above, if you are like me and want to get and decorate a nice house. They will literally destroy it for you if you take a break from the game for more than a few months. They did this because it forces players to stay subscribed even if they don't want to play, because they have to enter the house once a month or it will be on that countdown to destruction. Scummy.

spinning = winning

God bless. I don't think I've waited this long for any other game, ever.

I don't know but I think FFXI is really old and need some extra quick fix for returning players.

A lot of people think that you get to do stuff with your friends . Unfortunately, the reality is level 1-99 is merely the intro of FFXI, The part where you play solo to learn the basics on the game. It's an awfully long intro for a lot of returnees.

Fortunately, FFXI gave you a bunch of stuff to 'help' you out at lv99 but I think there should be more. The gap between a fresh lv99 player and a mastered, geared player is huge. It's like the difference between lv75 and lv99.

At least a free set of lv119 AF+2 or Ambu+1 gear would be a much better starting point for fresh players.

This.

Not a whole lot of WoW players jumped ship to XI, but very many jumped ship to XIV.

That said, all of the ones I've encountered and had a chance to discuss things with have had one common thread.

They're not interested in Classic WoW, because they feel like they've completely lost trust in Blizzard as a company. Things have changed a lot in the last few years, and players are not happy about it. I'd almost put it as Blizzard's own XIV 1.0 situation, though that does feel like an exaggeration.

Some will jump ship for classic, but I doubt it's as many as people think. Blizzard has been really rubbing their customers the wrong way, as well as losing important developers/directors while overworking their employees.

This isn't about bringing about the good ol' days for WoW players. This is about trust in the company.

wow(and 14) are nothing like 11, they're just rotation hammering and dodging moves.. 11 is easier but at the same time it's much more open and allows variety of strategy

people who like 11 aren't suddenly going to quit because of wow classic, the kind of spergs who love that grind and still play ffxi are already wasting their time on dsp

thread is just starr post #10873108 trying to convince himself that bc he can't enjoy it the game is dying though

all these threads:
OP:"Is this the end for game?"
replies:"Not really."
OP:"Oh, ok."
wait a week and ask again. repeat.

Noone said the game is dying (EU time isn't the entire game) and I enjoy FFXI. Keep trying hard.

I'd never say "the end" but a lot of people I know are at least going to try WoW. Might be a month or two where population is low. I've also never asked this question...

Is this the day SE pulls the plug on all of our toons?

/endsarcasm

Kireek is being a little generous on his skill rotation for wow. One of my guild members has a mage that is literally named Oneoneonetwo, because that is a standard mage rotation lol. Everything else he said is true. I do go back to play on a private server from time to time, back to a point where there was room for SOME variation, but it is still 98% mindless.

FFXI always made you think about whatever you were doing, even if it was 'kill the 8 delve bosses in 10 mins, cuz lulz.' I always come back to FFXI too, cuz like someone else said, it is like home. Nothing else has had the feeling it gives me. Even now, I've been on a break for a bit, but I still read the forums and stuff, cuz I'm still interested, still care.

I also played classic lvl wow on a private server and it was a lot harder than anything of recent years, but it's still the same limited formula. Your class can only do so much, and if you wanna do something else, you have to roll a new character. FFXI is so dynamic in the way that if you wanna do something else, you can just do it, with a little gear, help, etc.

The only downside to FFXI is that a lot of ppl run 2, 3, 4 characters at once just so content can get done. My LS leader does that, and I don't really know a lot of ppl on my server, so when he's not around it's difficult to get things done. I do wish they would merge a few of the smaller servers so that there could be a decent pool of ppl do do events with, but I know that wont happen. Even so, I do love this game.

Tl;dr FFXI is, and always will be, the best MMO out there.

For sure, but no doubt we are biased if it was our 1st MMO.

With the WoW Classic they are advertising it with really good graphics, but weren't the graphics terrible even up to the date the newest content the classic version will have? If it has good graphics will it not look different and hence kill half the nostalgia?

We need a MMO Scientist to do further research test hypothesis and run a lot of expensive tests. Then we will get back to you in six to eight weeks.