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"Are you a fatass? No diploma for you! "
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2009-11-30 15:48:27
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Qalbert;3277302 said: http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/11/30/lincoln.fitness.overweight/index.htmlQuote: (CNN) -- Most college students expect to receive their diplomas on the basis of grades, but at a Pennsylvania school, physical fitness matters too.
Students at Lincoln University with a body mass index of 30 or above, reflective of obesity, must take a fitness course that meets three hours per week. Those who are assigned to the class but do not complete it cannot graduate.
Calculate your body mass index
Now that the first class to have this requirement imposed is nearing graduation day -- students who entered in the fall of 2006 -- the school faces criticism from both students and outsiders about the fitness class policy.
One of those students is Tiana Lawson, 21, whose recent editorial in the student paper has drawn national attention to the issue. Lawson wrote in The Lincolnian that she would be more understanding if the requirement applied to everyone. She thinks all students, not just those with a high BMI, should have to take the class.
"I didn't come to Lincoln to be told that my weight is not in an acceptable range," Lawson wrote. "I came here to get an education which, as a three-time honor student, is something I have been doing quite well, despite the fact that I have a slightly high Body Mass Index."
Lawson, who told CNN she had been putting off getting her BMI tested until this year, recently found out she would have to take the class. At first angry, Lawson said she is now more "confused" about the requirement.
"I don't know why they would want some people to be more healthy than others," she said.
But James DeBoy, chairman of the school's Department of Health and Physical Education, says the requirement is just like courses to help students' communications or math proficiency. The faculty also has a priority to be honest with students, he said.
"We, as educators, must tell students when we believe, in our heart of hearts, when certain factors, certain behaviors, attitudes, whatever, are going to hinder that student from achieving and maximizing their life goals," he said.
Moreover, if there were unlimited resources, the fitness opportunities would be for all students, but that is not the reality, he said.
The historically black college receives public funding, but is under independent control.
Obesity increases a person's risk of heart disease, type 2 diabetes, stroke, some cancers and other ailments. African-Americans were 1.4 times as likely to be obese as non-Hispanic whites in 2007, according to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. About four out of five African-American women are overweight or obese, the agency said.
"Obesity is going to rob you of your quality and quantity of life," DeBoy said. "We believe that this is unconscionable."
The fitness course, called "Fitness for Life," consists of activities including water aerobics, Tai Bo and aerobic dance, he said.
Because BMI is not a perfect measure of obesity, students also have their waist circumference measured, he said. There are some people who have a high BMI because of their muscle mass, but are not actually obese, and the waist measurement is meant to weed out those people.
From a legal perspective, the school's requirement seems "paternalistic" and "intrusive," said David Kairys, professor of law at Temple University Law School in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
"The part that seems excessive is forcing them to take this course, or to exercise three hours a week, which isn't a bad idea for them, but should be their choice," he said.
Lincoln is "breaking new ground" with this requirement, as Kairys has not heard of one like it at other schools.
Some students, such as Brittnai Panton, a 19-year-old freshman from Decatur, Georgia, like the requirement. She tested out of having to take the class, but supports having it around.
"Being in this day and age where people are becoming overweight and need more fitness, I think it's a great idea to earn extra credit, an easy extra credit," she said.
Many of her classmates don't find it offensive, she said.
"It is like you're getting a second chance to actually do fitness in school, which certain people wouldn't do," she said. "Many of them find it an easy credit."
DeBoy said 620 students have either tested out or taken the course, with 80 remaining to get their BMI evaluated. He estimates 12 to 15 will need to take the fitness class in January.
When the faculty first approved the fitness course requirement in 2006, there were minimal concerns raised, he said. The intention is to spread the message that people in school, including high school and middle school, need more physical activity.
"This is one university's -- granted it's radical and it's upsetting -- approach to try to begin to directly address" obesity, he said. That's some seriously heavy stuff.
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By Ifrit.Kungfuhustle 2009-11-30 15:52:34
I totally agree with what they're doing. This should be implemented everywhere, at least maybe then these fat *** high school slobs can shape up for the real world.
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By Caitsith.Blurr 2009-11-30 15:54:12
gotta flunk the smokers now too!
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2009-11-30 15:54:30
The only part I disagree with is that it's only a requirement for those w/ a certain BMI, which is kinda discriminatory, but i do like the idea, and think all students should take it.
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By Gilgamesh.Alyria 2009-11-30 15:56:52
This seems a bit like BS to me "About four out of five African-American women are overweight or obese, the agency said."
So only 1 black woman is skinny...
If my school decided to have this, they better kiss my butt. I didn't go to school for them to tell me I can't graduate because I'm big. To me it's more a discrimination because they only give it to the heavy ppl. Not all skinny ppl are healthy either just because they aren't heavy.
Maybe it's a Pennsylvania thing.
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By Asura.Malekith 2009-11-30 15:56:57
Fairy.Vegetto said: The only part I disagree with is that it's only a requirement for those w/ a certain BMI, which is kinda discriminatory, but i do like the idea, and think all students should take it. I can't help but nod my head here because I just know it's a matter of time before the ACLU files a discrimination lawsuit here.
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By Caitsith.Blurr 2009-11-30 15:58:53
Asura.Malekith said: Fairy.Vegetto said: The only part I disagree with is that it's only a requirement for those w/ a certain BMI, which is kinda discriminatory, but i do like the idea, and think all students should take it. I can't help but nod my head here because I just know it's a matter of time before the ACLU files a discrimination lawsuit here.
wanted to say with the right exposure this ***wont fly very long.. but beaten to it >.>
hello jesse jackson ^^
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By Ifrit.Kungfuhustle 2009-11-30 15:59:36
Gilgamesh.Alyria said: This seems a bit like BS to me "About four out of five African-American women are overweight or obese, the agency said."
So only 1 black woman is skinny...
If my school decided to have this, they better kiss my butt. I didn't go to school for them to tell me I can't graduate because I'm big. To me it's more a discrimination because they only give it to the heavy ppl. Not all skinny ppl are healthy either just because they aren't heavy.
Maybe it's a Pennsylvania thing.
sad part about that stat is, the ONE black woman outta that group of 5 is the hot one lol
Discriminatory or not, its a way to get kids to become healthy again. So yeah, target the fat ones and slim them up some before they eat themselves into another TLC special about how they have "gland problems".
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2009-11-30 15:59:51
Gilgamesh.Alyria said: This seems a bit like BS to me "About four out of five African-American women are overweight or obese, the agency said."
So only 1 black woman is skinny...
If my school decided to have this, they better kiss my butt. I didn't go to school for them to tell me I can't graduate because I'm big. To me it's more a discrimination because they only give it to the heavy ppl. Not all skinny ppl are healthy either just because they aren't heavy.
Maybe it's a Pennsylvania thing. Well like I said, I'd prefer for it to be all students, but other than that I think it's fine. Many schools have bs requirements for graduation that has 0 to do with your major. I think this would help more than african american studies or world religions.
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By Alexander.Nepharite 2009-11-30 16:01:40
They meet 3hrs a week...
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By Gilgamesh.Alyria 2009-11-30 16:03:11
I go to school, I get good grades, I made the honor's list also and I'm a big girl, so why should I have to have a school tell me I can't graduate because I'm big.
Ok so they get a few ppl to get down on the bmi, after they graduate, they might just go back to the size they were. So it would make no point.
If a school said you had to take a class for you to quit smoking to graduate, a lot of you would be pissed.
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By Ifrit.Kungfuhustle 2009-11-30 16:03:18
Alexander.Nepharite said: They meet 3hrs a week...
should be 3 hours a session, four times a week. I'm waiting for all the HS fatheads to put their cup cakes down and *** about this.
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By Ifrit.Kungfuhustle 2009-11-30 16:04:20
Gilgamesh.Alyria said: I go to school, I get good grades, I made the honor's list also and I'm a big girl, so why should I have to have a school tell me I can't graduate because I'm big.
Ok so they get a few ppl to get down on the bmi, after they graduate, they might just go back to the size they were.
If a school said you had to take a class for you to quit smoking to graduate, a lot of you would be pissed.
I don't smoke, so they should do that too. Im sick of my classmates sitting close to me after they smoke their cancer sticks and I can smell their horribly assy breath stink.
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By Caitsith.Blurr 2009-11-30 16:05:08
Fairy.Vegetto said: Gilgamesh.Alyria said: This seems a bit like BS to me "About four out of five African-American women are overweight or obese, the agency said."
So only 1 black woman is skinny...
If my school decided to have this, they better kiss my butt. I didn't go to school for them to tell me I can't graduate because I'm big. To me it's more a discrimination because they only give it to the heavy ppl. Not all skinny ppl are healthy either just because they aren't heavy.
Maybe it's a Pennsylvania thing. Well like I said, I'd prefer for it to be all students, but other than that I think it's fine. Many schools have bs requirement for graduation that has 0 to do with your major. I think this would help more than african american studies or world religions.
and what about setting up drug tests as a requirement for graduation ? hell, most companies send their employees for a drop anyway.. why not start getting kids clean early ? being over weight isnt even illegal >.>
should we start setting up alcohol / tobacco preventions like the bmi ?
what about not even being over weight but having high cholesterol from unhealthy eating ?
i agree the country needs to start finding better ways to get people to choose being healthy over not.. but strong arming people isnt the way to go imo.
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2009-11-30 16:05:10
Gilgamesh.Alyria said: I go to school, I get good grades, I made the honor's list also and I'm a big girl, so why should I have to have a school tell me I can't graduate because I'm big.
Ok so they get a few ppl to get down on the bmi, after they graduate, they might just go back to the size they were. So it would make no point.
If a school said you had to take a class for you to quit smoking to graduate, a lot of you would be pissed. Well really, different schools have diff requirements to graduate. As I've already said, I don't see how this is any different than a school that makes you take world religions, for example.
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2009-11-30 16:05:38
Caitsith.Blurr said: Fairy.Vegetto said: Gilgamesh.Alyria said: This seems a bit like BS to me "About four out of five African-American women are overweight or obese, the agency said."
So only 1 black woman is skinny...
If my school decided to have this, they better kiss my butt. I didn't go to school for them to tell me I can't graduate because I'm big. To me it's more a discrimination because they only give it to the heavy ppl. Not all skinny ppl are healthy either just because they aren't heavy.
Maybe it's a Pennsylvania thing. Well like I said, I'd prefer for it to be all students, but other than that I think it's fine. Many schools have bs requirement for graduation that has 0 to do with your major. I think this would help more than african american studies or world religions.
and what about setting up drug tests as a requirement for graduation ? hell, most companies send their employees for a drop anyway.. why not start getting kids clean early ? being over weight isnt even illegal >.>
should we start setting up alcohol / tobacco preventions like the bmi ?
what about not even being over weight but having high cholesterol from unhealthy eating ?
i agree the country needs to start finding better ways to get people to choose being healthy over not.. but strong arming people isnt the way to go imo. I don't drink or smoke, I'd have 0 problem with this, personally.
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By Gilgamesh.Aerokii 2009-11-30 16:05:46
This is one of those things where I must agree that it's only fair if everyone has to go through this. Singling people out just because they're overweight seems unfair, regardless of whether or not I agree with what they're doing (And admittedly, for the most part I do.)
I may be biased though, simply because I'd kill for a required phys-ed style course in my program. While such a thing would not be required for my future employment, I think it would be nice to see the university take a more active interest in the health and wellbeing of its students outside of "Let's make sure you know how to read, go take a humanities course."
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By Phoenix.Zeotah 2009-11-30 16:06:07
While I like the concept, this is the wrong way to go about it. I agree that everyone should take said course, not just people that fall into "Category X or Y".
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By Remora.Hackstealandbot 2009-11-30 16:08:41
finally some people doing something about all those disgusting overweight americans
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By Ramuh.Lilbusta 2009-11-30 16:09:45
I just got done reading this story on CNN.com. I'm totally against it for the fact that these people paid to get educated. The school needs to make it mandatory for a fitness education class if they insist on making students w/ a 30% BMI lose weight to graduate. I don't see how they can enforce this when it's not their business to begin with.
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2009-11-30 16:09:57
Remora.Hackstealandbot said: finally some people doing something about all those disgusting overweight americans I don't think anyone is disgusting because they are overweight, but I do believe the class would be overall helpful for them in maintaining good health(which is why I feel EVERYONE should have requirements like this). That's more important than appearance.
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By Ifrit.Kungfuhustle 2009-11-30 16:11:36
health education is also EDUCATION. Students can learn how to eat right, exercise, and live longer lives. So yeah, in the end, IF YOU DON'T TAKE THAT COURSE, YOUR FAT *** WILL FLIP BURGERS!
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By Gilgamesh.Alyria 2009-11-30 16:12:40
I don't smoke or drink really either. Yea I think some schools should offer it but not single out the ppl and then you can't graduate because you are big. What if it was a person that was in their last year and didn't know of the course, they weigh about 300 and the school says that you won't graduate cause you didn't meet the bmi. I don't think it should have been a mandated requirement, but a option for ppl.
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By Caitsith.Blurr 2009-11-30 16:13:09
Fairy.Vegetto said: I don't drink or smoke, I'd have 0 problem with this, personally.
nor do i, but my point was where do you draw the line ? when you start banning/controlling civil liberties/freedoms like that, its a dangerous path to tread. what if a company/school decided to take it to the next step and say like, "only people meeting the requirements we set forth may enter" ? this kinda ***opens the doors for all kinds of discrimination, everywhere..
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By Remora.Hackstealandbot 2009-11-30 16:13:24
Fairy.Vegetto said: Remora.Hackstealandbot said: finally some people doing something about all those disgusting overweight americans I don't think anyone is disgusting because they are overweight, but I do believe the class would be overall helpful for them in maintaining good health(which is why I feel EVERYONE should have requirements like this). That's more important than appearance.
personally i think its disgusting that someone would neglect their own body and self-image to the extent that some do. personal opinion i guess. you can be turned on by whatever you want, i'm not here to judge you, but you can't say that being a fatass is a good thing.
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2009-11-30 16:15:15
"Yea I think some schools should offer it but not single out the ppl and then you can't graduate because you are big"
I agree with this totally, not one group should be singled out, and I don't think you should have to meet a particular BMI, but passing a mandatory for all P.E./Health class though, would be a step in the correct direction.
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By Remora.Hackstealandbot 2009-11-30 16:16:29
Caitsith.Blurr said: Fairy.Vegetto said: I don't drink or smoke, I'd have 0 problem with this, personally.
nor do i, but my point was where do you draw the line ? when you start banning/controlling civil liberties/freedoms like that, its a dangerous path to tread. what if a company/school decided to take it to the next step and say like, "only people meeting the requirements we set forth may enter" ? this kinda ***opens the doors for all kinds of discrimination, everywhere..
from what i understand its a private school, therefore they can and do discriminate as they please
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By Caitsith.Blurr 2009-11-30 16:16:46
Remora.Hackstealandbot said: Fairy.Vegetto said: Remora.Hackstealandbot said: finally some people doing something about all those disgusting overweight americans I don't think anyone is disgusting because they are overweight, but I do believe the class would be overall helpful for them in maintaining good health(which is why I feel EVERYONE should have requirements like this). That's more important than appearance.
personally i think its disgusting that someone would neglect their own body and self-image to the extent that some do. personal opinion i guess. you can be turned on by whatever you want, i'm not here to judge you, but you can't say that being a fatass is a good thing.
way to contradict yourself too buddy... "its my opinion i guess, but you know everyone believes that being a fatass isnt a good thing.. i mean, everyone feels the same way i do right?, duh"
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your right, its your opinion. and opinions are like ***, everyones got one.
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2009-11-30 16:17:05
Caitsith.Blurr said: Fairy.Vegetto said: I don't drink or smoke, I'd have 0 problem with this, personally.
nor do i, but my point was where do you draw the line ? when you start banning/controlling civil liberties/freedoms like that, its a dangerous path to tread. what if a company/school decided to take it to the next step and say like, "only people meeting the requirements we set forth may enter" ? this kinda ***opens the doors for all kinds of discrimination, everywhere.. They do this already though when they make you take required classes. For example, you fail humanities, you're not going to graduate. In the same sense, I do believe that passing a physical education/health course would be beneficial. Do you have to have a certain BMI to pass, of course not, that would be too much of a requirement, but I do feel there should be some sort of P.E. requirement at all schools, the same way we have to take other BS that we don't need.
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By Ramuh.Lilbusta 2009-11-30 16:17:52
Health education should always stay a must, but sometimes being told the same thing every year since middle/high school is like beating a dead horse. Physical Fitness is more of something needed to keep people on course to stay in shape.
Really why do they need to do this and how is it up to them to say you're big and no diploma? They offered nothing nor made a course requirement that really prevent those students from graduating.
BTW AF Academy, Westpoint and other military-like academies already have strict limits on who can enter and one of those is BMI/Weight. Those have been standards set since the start. Those are open to everyone's application, but we all know you only get accepted if you're really smart and willing to give 4-6yrs of your life to serve.
Copy/pasta from BG, but since its not mentioned here yet, I thought I'd port it over.
Qalbert;3277302 said: http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/11/30/lincoln.fitness.overweight/index.htmlQuote: (CNN) -- Most college students expect to receive their diplomas on the basis of grades, but at a Pennsylvania school, physical fitness matters too.
Students at Lincoln University with a body mass index of 30 or above, reflective of obesity, must take a fitness course that meets three hours per week. Those who are assigned to the class but do not complete it cannot graduate.
Calculate your body mass index
Now that the first class to have this requirement imposed is nearing graduation day -- students who entered in the fall of 2006 -- the school faces criticism from both students and outsiders about the fitness class policy.
One of those students is Tiana Lawson, 21, whose recent editorial in the student paper has drawn national attention to the issue. Lawson wrote in The Lincolnian that she would be more understanding if the requirement applied to everyone. She thinks all students, not just those with a high BMI, should have to take the class.
"I didn't come to Lincoln to be told that my weight is not in an acceptable range," Lawson wrote. "I came here to get an education which, as a three-time honor student, is something I have been doing quite well, despite the fact that I have a slightly high Body Mass Index."
Lawson, who told CNN she had been putting off getting her BMI tested until this year, recently found out she would have to take the class. At first angry, Lawson said she is now more "confused" about the requirement.
"I don't know why they would want some people to be more healthy than others," she said.
But James DeBoy, chairman of the school's Department of Health and Physical Education, says the requirement is just like courses to help students' communications or math proficiency. The faculty also has a priority to be honest with students, he said.
"We, as educators, must tell students when we believe, in our heart of hearts, when certain factors, certain behaviors, attitudes, whatever, are going to hinder that student from achieving and maximizing their life goals," he said.
Moreover, if there were unlimited resources, the fitness opportunities would be for all students, but that is not the reality, he said.
The historically black college receives public funding, but is under independent control.
Obesity increases a person's risk of heart disease, type 2 diabetes, stroke, some cancers and other ailments. African-Americans were 1.4 times as likely to be obese as non-Hispanic whites in 2007, according to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. About four out of five African-American women are overweight or obese, the agency said.
"Obesity is going to rob you of your quality and quantity of life," DeBoy said. "We believe that this is unconscionable."
The fitness course, called "Fitness for Life," consists of activities including water aerobics, Tai Bo and aerobic dance, he said.
Because BMI is not a perfect measure of obesity, students also have their waist circumference measured, he said. There are some people who have a high BMI because of their muscle mass, but are not actually obese, and the waist measurement is meant to weed out those people.
From a legal perspective, the school's requirement seems "paternalistic" and "intrusive," said David Kairys, professor of law at Temple University Law School in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
"The part that seems excessive is forcing them to take this course, or to exercise three hours a week, which isn't a bad idea for them, but should be their choice," he said.
Lincoln is "breaking new ground" with this requirement, as Kairys has not heard of one like it at other schools.
Some students, such as Brittnai Panton, a 19-year-old freshman from Decatur, Georgia, like the requirement. She tested out of having to take the class, but supports having it around.
"Being in this day and age where people are becoming overweight and need more fitness, I think it's a great idea to earn extra credit, an easy extra credit," she said.
Many of her classmates don't find it offensive, she said.
"It is like you're getting a second chance to actually do fitness in school, which certain people wouldn't do," she said. "Many of them find it an easy credit."
DeBoy said 620 students have either tested out or taken the course, with 80 remaining to get their BMI evaluated. He estimates 12 to 15 will need to take the fitness class in January.
When the faculty first approved the fitness course requirement in 2006, there were minimal concerns raised, he said. The intention is to spread the message that people in school, including high school and middle school, need more physical activity.
"This is one university's -- granted it's radical and it's upsetting -- approach to try to begin to directly address" obesity, he said. That's some seriously heavy stuff.
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