British People Onry: General Election!!!

In other words you can't debate what I've said about what they did to Scotland right? Ergo, you can't say "The conservatives are good for ALL of UK" right? I'm not trying to be awkward, but that is what you have been trying to make out.

Edit: And before I'm misunderstood - I'm not claiming Labour/Brown are perfect either, but when it comes to picking the lesser of evils it is easy for me to see the differences. I'm really interested in politics so it has nothing to do with what I've been told by my family or whatever.

lol give me the list

how about tories used to eat babies.

but i asked for a list of things LABOUR have done thats so good

you was 13 when labour came into power? thanks you just proved the point you know nothing. you wasnt even born when labour was in power before that and see that the mess they have made this time was just the same as the mess they made last time.

your right i dont know much about things up scotland,if you have the chance to have you own gov then why you not done it. you want to be part of this mess?

as your quoting labour slogans how about no new taxes?


labour might have got my vote if they was seen to be trying to do something. they had the chance to out brown and bottled it. if brown had gone i think we would be waking to a labour gov today

but it dont matter, tories will be in power and brown will be replaced by end of year as leader of lolbour

no your not said what they did to scotland, you said they messed it up.they messed it up how? your family didnt have a job? there was no excuse for not having a job durring tories gov. had a job at 15 and worked till last year. 28 years working none stop. your family couldnt find one or didnt want one? thats not tories fault

its been said tories took a hard stance on industry to get the unions out that get in when labour was in power if that had an effect aswell up they then thats not tories fault, you have the right to work when not in an union now because of there stance. yes things was hard but things are not ment to be easy

im sorry you think england dont care about scotland, but what has labour done for you?

the Parliament is well hung.

I can't speak for anyone else. Lots of Scottish people have the whole braveheart mentality, but I think there was a reason the union flag was made and it shouldn't be broken up so easily. But I'm already pretty poor at the moment, I can't see that getting better under the tories. Thats not based on living in the past like you - that's based on analysing policies and figures and being very interested in how everything works.

As for insulting me over my age scampi, you just crossed the line. I'll bow out of this debate now. Just because you have been alive longer, doesn't mean you know everything better than me.

My only last thing to say is, you keep going on about the taxes - and how exactly are the conservatives (or any other party) going to get us out of the debt? You said the global recession had NOTHING to do with our problems, yet it affected almost every country in the world. That is past now and we have to clean up the mess. So if you can tell me how anyone else will be able to do it without raising taxes at some point and cutting public spending everywhere, please do.

/bow

Edit in for your last post: Like I said, you can start by looking up Poll tax. Have a nice day.

lol yes taxes have to go up, know matter who gets in, but labour came into power saying no new taxes. they cant say that now as theres nothing else to tax, apart from fresh air.

it will be hard for tories to get us out this mess, but at least tories see we are in a mess, labour know if they cant see it then theres no problem, they have proved they are not interested

it wasnt a knock on your age just a point that all you see was what the tories did, but not old enough to see what the country was like when they came to power, like eating in the dark? power cuts few days every week because of strikes,
like the smell of garbage? nothing beats the smell of rotten food on a nice hot day, yes another strike.

things was hard and they will have to be hard again to get us out this mess. but labour should and can not be made alowed to leave this country how they did before ans its way on its way to being like that again


pole tax? small price to pay to have a good economy, but how come we still pay a form of pole tax in the councill tax and we are in this mess when we wasnt before?

Govenerment is like FFXI.

***is situational.

I am not a die hard fan of any of the partys, but I can see that at different times in history we have 'needed' different partys in charge.

Churchill during the war was great, a strong, steadfast man who took 0 ***.

Labour post war were dedicated to rebuilding the country and introducing more welfare.

Theather (as some one else brought up) basically sorted out the unions, Labour wouldn't have done this (at the time) and the strikes were crippling the country.

Blair brought higher public spending during the good years of late 90's and earily 2000's

Hopefully the Conservatives will bring lower public spending and try and sort the deficit. I just hope they don't get too caught up in cutting taxes (which we all know is there main aim)

lol Sorry, but I had to reply to this. All these people agreed with you I'm sure:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8593158.stm

And issues like poll tax had nothing to do with Thatcher losing her power too I'm sure lol.

And since you are so stuck on tax rates, another snippet for you - it was the tories that had to raise VAT to 17.5% originally because of the wonderful lovely mess poll tax created. But it's all good right? Oh and FYI, poll tax is NOT the same as council tax.

Like I said, Labour aren't perfect, and the things you described sucked, and yes I know that the tories fixed a lot of that stuff, but you seem to be forgetting all the mistakes they made too - funny how people do that.

In other words, none of the parties are great but they have very different values. And no matter how many history lessons you try to give me, I won't accept your rose tinted vision of the tories. I bet I can find just as many people who will tell me how wonderful labour is too. I don't believe either of you.

Now I'm off to work!

and yet you still cant say what labour have done thats so good that they should get into power.

rofl did you read the artical, thatcher steps down and major replaces the pole tax with the now councill tax. erm what part of them is not the same? again showing you know very little and is going on hearsay. update the person thats feeding you the rubbish plz and dont use an articate that shows how little you know lol

there was riots back then, nice to see the country had passion back then, we just cant be bothered no more as we have been beat to the ground and broken under labour

lol think its better if you stick to what you said and not say any more,i used to pay pole tax and the now councill tax that REPLACED it. im not going on what im told

You are just talking ***now, sorry. Before poll tax we had 'rates'. They were based on the rental value of your property.

Poll tax was completely ridiculous and had you paying based on how many people lived in your property. I'm not even going to bother getting into how unfair that could be for a poorer family with many children.

Council tax is based on the market value of your property. Do you even read your council tax statement when it comes in? It lists your property band etc. I thought with all your years of wisdom you would know this. Apparently I'm too young to have an opinion -.-

There I explained it for you. But you have basically shown me what kind of person you are. It's okay you can have it: Labour suck at everything and the Tories are wonderful. I won't say I told you so when David Cameron DOESN'T get you your job back that the polish people stole (lol), and when there is also no longer any unemployment benefits for you either. Once again thats not hearsay - Tories what to slash public spending (unemployment benefits being one of their main targets) AND tax. They have been careful about what they said on immigration - basically all those polish people you hate? they won't be going anywhere! There will just be slightly less coming in which is what was already happening anyways. That will solve your problems!

I really am done talking to you now though, {take care.}

Ps. I can't list good things labour have did? You can't admit anything bad the tories have done either, so I guess we both lose.

Scampi your being unnecessarily obtuse.

Labour have done good things and bad.

The Conservative have done good things and bad.

And if you are too much of a fanboy (ironic use of that term) to see that then your very short sighted.

Council housing, NHS (introduction and reforms), increase school spending are all things that (as some point or other) Labour have done that are considered good things.

before pole tax we had rates? wtf we are on about pole tax and councill tax just the same not before. before rates we had dinosaurs. just showing you go on what you have been told not what you know.

i payed it and its there in the link you put up. geez can see why you for labour as you dont see whats in front of your eyes. pole tax caused alot of tention, well riots lol so major just changed its name and how its works but it was still pole tax lol just had cotton wool put on it


tories did bad things, as i said before i voted labour in 97, but then i dont vote blind i leave that to people like you.

i can go 27 years into the future and talk to someone born next week, they wont remember the mess the country is in, just will remember the years of hard times the tories did to get us back to normal,and we will have to have hard times.


yes i lost my job to a polish, but then i worked for 28 years doing alot of overtime and put money away so dont really need to work as the wife is in a good job, was just an agency job. all thanks to tories putting the uk in a good position i was able to save money. but the kids of today dont have that choice, bottom feeder jobs for them now, cleaners and shop work that pay very little, if your ok with the polish having a better life and taking the kind of jobs school leavers used to have then thats ok

im glad we are done, you dont really stand for anything, labour says jump and you dont even say how high, you just jump your heart out and hope you please them

council houseing? yet the waiting list has gone sky high,
i had kids at school and know there was no spending there,
nhs spending? i waited so long for a knee op i went private in the end and most people that can afford it do

is something is broke you fix it, dont bury your head and hope it goes away

Pretty much sums up how I feel. Seems scampi is too stuck in the past to see modern day politics.

No party is a "good" party to vote for, some are just more appealing depending on how their policies may affect you. I think this election shows quite clearly that neither party has public confidence.

The torries go on about winning big time and having a "right to lead". Yet they do not have a majority, in fact more ppl voted against conservative in lib dem/labour/etc combined. This is a big defeat for david cameron as he was expected before the polls to win and yet all his campaigning has failed to win him a majority.

rofl tories made big gains and it was them them lost? ah i see modern days politices now, you win if you lose? having the most is having the least? labour had its seats droped and its supporters go down over 10% and tories see its supporters go up 8% but they lost and the public didnt back them?

hey dont blame me that labour are out. lib dem will back tories as they have said the party with the most seats should run the country. ah but tories dont have the most seats, is this like fergie time? labour can have an extra 100 seats in extra time

You were 12 when Thatcher came into power - same age I was just before Labour came back. You were only 4 years older than I am when Blair became PM. Can you tell me again where you picked up all the extra knowledge you claim I am missing?

You don't know ***about how poll tax and council tax work - you already showed that multiple times now. Show me maths/literature that display how they are the same thing. Saying "I paid them both, I know best" means nothing.

I vote blindly? Can you explain where you came to that conclusion? All this debate has ever been about is your almost fanatical views on how great the tories are. I can't believe I've even stuck around to continue replying, but your above normal view of the tories leaves me shocked. I run my own business and know fine well how I am being affected by the current ***thats been going on, but at least I can keep clear eyes and not be a complete fanboy like you.

You claim I know nothing about anything basically, yet you didn't even know how the system of governments even works throughout the UK. You are just a ignorant English person - that is what I've gotten from you so far. And as for "I voted labour back in 97". Oh right! You mean when they were 'popular' and new labour was the fashion trend right?! That wasn't blind voting at all! And the tories were doing such a great job (you keep going on and on about how good they were), you switched your vote to labour anyways? Whut? Please explain that one Einstein.

O.m.g... lol.

I was refering to the introduction of the NHS and council housing.

As for school spending, 2 secondary schools near me that I happen to know about (my GF little brother attends one and family friends daugther attends another), 1 has had a new science department and maths block, the other new sporthall/swiming pool. Both in the last ~5-6 years.

And this is the first hung parilment in nearly 30 years, so yes it is safe to say, although the torries have the most seats they didn't have the publics full confidence and certainly didn't win (as a win = majority). In a hung parilements the incumbent PM remains as the head of government (Brown).

u still going on?

i changed my vote as its my right to not vote blind, labour had some good ideas and its was time for a change.

sorry just because i voted tories once ment i had to spend my life voting them?

we are done. lol your article proving they the same and you still going on about they not. just cotton wool

Btw Scampi i'm not a Labour supporter I only voted them for my families sake else who knows.

And labour did lose conservatives did make big gains but my point was it wasn't enough therefore conservatives still lost.

And if you actually listened to what nick clegg said; he invited cameron to discuss ***before committing to forming a govt with them. Basically if david cameron doesn't agree to do electoral reform plus w/e else nick clegg wants cameron is screwed. clegg isn't gonna back down from the lib dems first chance to enforce some policies.

yes your right, but clegg is smart enough to know brown cant be trusted. plus its still not enough. just checked online and labour have 39% lib dem has 8% thats 47% they would still have to get NI and 3 parties trying to run the country wont work, clegg knows thats he best chance is the tories. it dont matter if its the right thing or the wrong thing for lib dem to do, but is best for the uk with just 2 in charge. and clegg didnt say tories, he was quoted as saying before the election that the party with the most seats should get to run the country

for clegg to back labour now would be just saying he lied. lol not a 1st for a politicain i know

It's not certain yet, if clegg and cameron are unable to come to agreement over things clegg can turn around and say things won't work out with the conservatives and try forming with labour+others still. He's not gone back on his word yet but disagreements with the conservatives is a good "get out of jail" card.

But you keep telling us the labour years were only good because the tories had been doing so well, so why was it 'time for a change'? Please do explain.

And about poll tax - either you are just thick, can't read, or are trying to wind me up.

Poll tax: a tax of a uniform, fixed amount per individual (as opposed to a percentage of income).

Council tax: strongly resembled the rating system that the Poll Tax had replaced. The main differences were that it was levied on capital value rather than notional rental value of a property, and that a 25% discount for single occupancy dwellings was introduced.

They aren't different? WTF? The article from BBC never said anything about them being the same. It said council tax REPLACED Poll tax which was only in place in england for a very very short time (they tested it out for a year in scotland first -.-). Since when did the word replace = exactly the same? Cotton wool my arse.

We might aswell call apples oranges, and say that all the policies of all the parties are EXACTLY the same then scampi.

yes he can, but can you see it working with labour? brown listens to no one. and like i said its still not enough. they would have to get independents or NI in aswell to get the 51%. to many cooks spring to mind,its not good for the country

@Jetzabel
we are done geez. to dumb it down enough for you i would have to use pictures, end result was ment to be the same thats why it replaced it

ITT: Scampi does a better U turn than most politians.

From: Labour has never done anything good for this country
To: Labour had some good ideas, but I decided that the tories where the best for this election

In other words you can't explain and want to drop it cause you are thick. I can see why you like David Cameron.

"Uh... they are the same cause you pay money in both systems d'uh"

Lol nothing is good for the country atm, cameron wants to cut public spending (go look at Greece) and a govt made of 3 or more parties could make things worse for us as well.

Mind you other countries (canada and new zealand i believe) have had hung parliments and done just fine. But I think labour and conservative hate each other too much to "work together".

lol labour and tories working together, now that might be fun just to watch the question times

Most countries with proportional representation have hung parliaments regularly, but those countries are used to it and so know how to handle a coalition government, whereas it’s almost unprecedented in the UK. Our laws aren’t set up for it, our political system certainly isn’t set up for it and I doubt our partys can pull it off.

i cant explain why i changed my vote?

1 because its my right to vote for who i think might do the best job
2 i dont vote blind
3 labour had some good ideas and tories seem to have run out of ideas at the time
4 i couldnt see the future and didnt see the mess back then
5 im not going to stick to the same party all the time, will change to who ever i feel might do a good job