What The Hell Does Jesus Have To Do With Grilling? O.o

It said so right in the title. You knew what you were walking into.

Another person QQing about religious threads. Yay.

YAY QQ DERAILING GOGOGO.

I'm trying!

I bet Jesus was a pretty good guy. I do like what he was about. It just sickens me the things that get dragged out in his name.

Bible Jesus is just as scary as Freddy Krueger.

We don't get punished for using free will. We get punished for using free will to take credit for what God has given us. There's a double standard for Christians and non-Christians.

For me, someone who believes: what I do isn't going to come back to hurt me, it's more why I do it. If I do things to glorify myself, or to slander someone else, or purposely make it harder for someone else to believe in God; then I will have to answer for those things. If I do things trying to help others find God, or for His glory; I will be rewarded.

There are 2 parts to unbelievers: the age of innocence- someone that through there experience have yet to know the difference between right and wrong. God does not judge these people-(mentally handicapped that never develop enough to grasp the difference, children who haven't developed that far yet, 99% of all animals) He knows that they are merely doing what they know, which is to survive, they have no idea that some things they do are inherently bad.

Those who have made it to the age of reasoning: If they have yet to hear about God (3rd world countries etc etc) or have heard and choose not to believe, none of their actions are to glorify God or bring others to Him. Therefore everything they do is a sin and will be judged. It is a Christian's responsibility to try to reach everyone who has reached the level of knowing right from wrong and tell them about God because once they know that line, just not having heard about God is no excuse for their sins.

I know what you mean that several churches believe that just because you are in a different church you are going to hell. I agree fully that they are wrong, very wrong. You're belief in the one loving God and your acknowledgment that without Jesus' blood you will fall short of the kingdom of heaven is what saves you, not which building you go sit in on Saturday/Sunday/Tuesday Some churches believe only a certain number of people make it as well...once again terribly flawed. Anyone that believes is welcome.

And it's not that He's trying to punish us. He's perfect, He created everything in this universe, He maintains the balance of life. He can't associate with anything that isn't perfect which is why with just one sin, which we all will at least once; we can never enter His gates after this life. He loves us so much though, that He had his son, part of himself become human so that the link between mortals and the divine God would be established. Once that link was made Jesus bore the weight of all our sins for anyone who believed that He did, allowing us to spend eternity with Him. Yes, we are destined to fail, but God wants us with Him so badly that He made a working way to be with Him.


It's not that I'm choosing parts of Christianity to believe, it's that you are jumbling various spin-offs of the Christian religion as one. Each church has similar, but ultimately separate beliefs and no single church is 100% right. They have all polarized themselves just like different towns and social groups do, so that people can feel comfortable around those who are similar.

I think this needs to be said again...
FFS, just mail them a Hustler magazine and call it a night!

He loves us so much that he can't associate with us for having even one unanswered sin, because he's too perfect. Oooookaaaaaaay....

I believe there is an invisible pink bunny behind all of you, that only I can see. Prove me wrong.

Okay, maybe not actually offended. But I bet we can agree that stapling a little card to a grill invoice is somewhat out of place. Personally, I'd go so far as to say it has a negative effect. But that's because I don't believe in any kind of missionary or outreach work of a religious nature. If someone comes to me looking for that, for sure, I'd love to share what I think. But basically sneaking up on someone and throwing some little bit of info at them is really stupid marketing.

Additionally, think about this: Some people dislike trailers at the beginning of dvd/blurays. A lot more really don't like the actual commercials there now. The thought being that they bought this movie for the sake of this movie, not to be told what to buy. And spirituality is a little more important and personal, so a strong reaction isn't all that unreasonable.

All that being said, if this is really a part of this company's values, they should put it in there anyway. If you really don't like that - return the grill, and tell them why. If it's not that big of a deal, toss the card and enjoy your... whatever you're making. (If you are drowning your sorrows in a bottle of A1, maybe you will find the answers you seek.)

a person Q.Q'ing about someone annoyed by a useless thread

the OP was just lol'ing at having a flyer in his BBQ about jebus but it kept going for 6 Pages. SO yer

You know that religious jesus title, the thread with 6 pages. Dont like it? Dont click on the title. Hard huh?

Actually there is, but its my kid in her onesey pink bunny PJ's lol

Infantile how about the defination of infantile: childish: indicating a lack of maturity; "childish tantrums"; "infantile behavior" so how is being angry about someone pushing their religion upon me childish? I would be pretty upset if someone stuck that crap in with my product. tbh I would have called them up and reamed them out if that had happened to me.

Fully agree with you. That kind of drive by propaganda has the opposite effect of its intended purpose.
I hate this sort of thing as well, mostly because you see the 3 good scenes the movie has out of context and then the movie is ruined when you actually get around to the full thing. I also understand that with competitive prices, this is one of the few ways DVD/BluRay makers actually make a profit.
They are trying and they will be rewarded for their work, even if it never actually converts anyone.
Yes because allowing us entry to heaven with unanswered sin would invalidate His word, which would invalidate God therefore ending the existence of the universe. The full story behind that is loooooooooooooooooooooooooong. Funny enough if you've ever seen Dogma the writers actually pretty much nailed that part on the head.
See here is the problem. Science (the largest bulk of nonbelievers god) states that there are no absolutes. Nothing in science is 'proof' or 'fact' only hypothesis which if widely accepted can be considered theory. Even a well known theory for our existence-Evolution is flawed via its own scientific process. I'm not here to say that evolution is not a possible reason for our existence...it's quite possible. I am going to say that we would not be here if evolution was left to its own devices of applied science.
In order for evolution you keep traits that help the species survive and abandon the ones that don't. The easiest things in the universe to adapt and recreate are single-celled organisms. If evolution was just a scientific process we would have never gotten past the multi-celled organism stage, because the process would have abandoned them every time it tried due to their more advanced systems being harder to adapt to changing conditions.
If you interject God into the picture, His hand could guide the process until you eventually end up with humans, who are aware of their own existence and are interested in finding out their origin, purpose, and future.
Slight derail, back to science and "proof". Evolution, as widely accepted as it is, is still theory left to be re-evaluated as time progresses and technology and our intelligence advance. It doesn't have to be proven for millions of people to accept it though, just as my God doesn't have to be proven for millions to accept Him. The only way to find an absolute it to get to the other side, by then it will be too late to change your mind, either way.

Exactly, retribution out of emotion is a childish trait, hence infantile...

I don't see how someone can be offended by another person trying to share a personal belief with them. Since everyone keeps saying pushing religion I won't use (if you came up to me and said you didn't believe in God and here's why) instead I'll use stocks.

If you truly believed that Wal-Mart was going to crash tomorrow and you came by my house to tell me, but I didn't invest guess what? I wouldn't be offended that you went out of your way to share a personal belief with me. I might think you're a little crazy, but not offended.

same thing can be said about me posting on here, if you don't like my reply ignore it

:P

But you know, its not like all of us dont already know about your jesus and god and what not. If we chose that we dont want to be a part of that because any of a million reasons. If we want to be left alone and take our chances to burn in hell, isnt that within our right to be left alone (even within your religion)?

And. God (assuming he exists) is supposed to forgive anyone anything if you ask for forgiveness. Why cant i just live my life in sin and ask for forgiveness when that time comes? I actually enjoy living my life the way I choose to live, rather than a live my life by what someone else says is right. And if I'm considered to be a sinner because I live my life the way I want to, in a way that makes me happy then so be it.

I dont need people to come up to me, or send me any types of messages telling me that there's a religion out there. I already know and I'm not intrested. The more people that tells me how I must follow jesus, the less I wanna do it.

Yes you do have the right to be left alone. Again I know there are plenty of examples of crappy Christians running around out there knocking door to door every week talking to the same people over and over again and doing nothing but pushing people away from God. When I come across people, if there is an opportunity that presents itself I bring up the matter. If there is any hint that they want to be left alone about it I just say, "If you ever change your mind or have questions feel free to ask me." I never bring that aspect up again with them unless asked. I don't change how I act around them or how I treat them, I just go on about my business.

Technically, yes the moment you ask for forgiveness you are forgiven and everything is forgotten. That said, if you are planning on doing that now for closer to when your time comes, then it's already in your heart that you need to do it, so why not do it now and know you're covered. There's always the chance that if you decide to postpone forgiveness until the time you know you're done, that an early and unexpected death could befall you and once you're body is dead...it's too late.
The change in people becoming a Christian isn't something that should be forced anyways, you can go on living the way you do, but as you allow Him to fulfill your heart and your thoughts, you will want to change, you won't feel like "Oh man I can't do these things anymore because 'I'm a Christian'." That's the wrong way to look at it and the way that a lot of poser Christians push it on those they witness to. EDIT: Contrary to popular belief you can still have fun and enjoy life and be a Christian. The true way to follow isn't about crossing T's and dotting I's along with the focus of a life after death, God wants us to enjoy life here on earth as well. As I stated in an earlier post it's more to do with your motive and reasoning behind why you do than what you do.


I know what you mean that shaking the Bible at you and telling you that you better follow Jesus or you'll rot in hell is doing no good in having you do so. You said yourself it has the opposite effect. What they should be doing is living their life the Christian way and maybe someday there's something in their life you see missing from yours and you ask them how to get that piece that's missing. Until you (any person not just you Zanno) has hit their bottom and are ready to change, no one else is going to be able to change you, most of it comes from within. Christians just take the whole part about witnessing to your brother the wrong way and do it in a completely incompetent manner. Sorry people who claim the same belief as me have done you such a disservice.

Your child is the herald of PINKBUNNYDOOM!!!

because I dont know for sure that there even is a god. And rather than spend my whole life living it to make a possible god happy in the end. I'd rather spend my life the way I want right now. And if there's a god, I've lost nothing coz he will forgive me anyway. But if there isnt any god then atleast I've had a fullfilling life with my own measures.

since I'm bending as far as saying there might be a god for the sake of the argument, I hope you will be able to do the same and put yourself in a situation where there actually is no god at the end of your life.

Now lets pretend you can imagine that there is no god. At the end of your life you have, what I would like to call it, wasted your entire life believing in something that isnt real, you have lived your life based on something that isnt real. In this situation I "won" by living my life in a way that is fullfilling to me, rather than to an imaginary god.

And as I said, in a scenario where there actually is a god, I would still have "won", considering I lived my life the way I wanted, and by the time I die god will forgove me and let me in to his paradise/heaven anyway.

So, at the end I get exactly the same as you will get, wether there is a god or not.

See my point here?

I see your point but I believe you have the wrong mindset. I'll play the game.

I go my whole life believing there is a God, and when I die turns out there isn't. I won't even know, because my existence will be expired (or I'm reincarnated with no recollection w/e happens). My life was fulfilling, I was happy and I had peace leading into my death.

You go your entire life believing there isn't a God, you die and find yourself standing before him. At that time you will confess to him and say you are sorry for your behavior on earth, but at that point it is too late. He will forgive anything, but the 'catch' is you have to ask him while you are still a mortal human on this earth. That shows your faith having not seen Him but confessing that He is there. Since you never confessed, you now get to spend the rest of eternity, in hell away from his presence. Hell is complete loneliness, sorrow and pain. You now know without a doubt that He exists, but will never see Him or feel his presence again.

In our situations I'd much rather live my life the way I do only to never find out that I was wrong, than to be in your shoes and have all of eternity to know I was.

EDIT: I might be a bit replying next time...have to leave the office. meh work grumble grumble

Hell yeah! She's bringing miracles and wine for the adults!

Better hurry up and get saved, OR ELSE!!!!! Nothing quite like following faith based on fear. Preach about love all you want, it's FEAR of damnation that gets people in the pews.

Fear. Is. Control.

According to the rites of salvation, you can live your life in as much sin as you can possibly imagine, as long as you get to church and ask forgiveness, it's all good.

Asking for forgiveness sounds a lot like bowing to obedience. It's like god saying "Sure, do whatcha want, just as long as you know I'M in charge..."


Last thing, then I'm out. I believe in some kind of god. I consider myself agnostic. I believe in an afterlife, spirits, the whole 9 yards. Seen many a ghost in my lifetime. I absolutely abhor organized religion. In ANY form. Nobody got it right. Nobody will. If you found Christ as your saviour, then good for you. It's when someone pushes their faith on others I can't stand. Yeah, I've been pretty pushy today, but I'm just playing with contradicting ideas. Everyone needs a nudge here and there. Your god is in your heart. No one else's.

Neither here nor there.

If there's even the slightest chance that I only have 1 life and nothing else. No afterlife, no paradise, no heaven or hell, no nothing. That when I die I become dirt. And thats it.

Then I want to make sure that this one and only life I have, I will live it for me and me alone. I will do the things that I like doing, that makes me happy. Even if its bad for me, or a "sin". If it turns out that I'm wrong, I'm wrong. And I'm willing to take the consequenses of that.

Can you imagine how convinced I am that there is no god (atleast not in the way any religion describes him) if I'm willing to bet my eternity in hell on it?

Anywho, it's getting late where I'm at so I need to head to bed, got work early in the morning.

edit before bed lol

How can you know that your god is the right one? there must be 100.000 religions in the world, and every single one of the swears up and down that their god is the one and only.

Good night!

Page 6 TLDR version:

* Christianity calls for proselytising of non-believers

* A lot of people (a lot) don't like proselytism tossed in their faces, even if it's with good intentions

* A lot more people like BBQ

Hence the immortal conflict.

Dude, you should get an award for using the best words in a thread period, and that hyperlinking was awesome of you.

exactly, last thing people want on their chicken is *** LOL

Not only that... But if Christ KNEW that Judas was going to turn him in to the romans then it was Jesus's duty to try not to die.. because allowing himself to be caught and killed would easily be constituted as suicide....

So yea, there you have it. Jesus commited Suicide.

greatest.win.EVER!