[Dev] Follow-Up On New BST Pets

Not sure what Endgame you used to do.

Speaking of the current.

What exactly do you consider "the current"?

As i see it Endgame will begin @ 99, however i am curious.

well lets see first off bst pets tp atts are all under powered most dont do more dmg then a normal hit/crit hit on any mob worth while not mention lot times u miss out on multiple hits while tp move readys.aslo theirs pets that already have dispel the eft so what ppoint of nto giving to another mob and flytrap does have parlyga and sleepga if memory serves. Far end game when if ever does anyone see a bst at void watch let alone aby. The trigger system for a bst in void is a joke u got fill your invo with ton of random jugs and then have 4+ min recast on call beast if u have change pet or if oen dies. Very few void fights actually last more then 10-15 min. Now what i dont know does triggering a void despawn jug pets like they do with avatars? TH well far TH it waste of time to compare a thf th and a jug pets. Yes the frog is pointless a mascot that cant fight is waste of time if they wanted give us a mascot give us a new CC thats stronger, helll just revamp CC for 99. Also it really does seem liek SE randomly chooses what tp moves to give a pet liek a roel of the die...

In end got always remb bst was and still is essentially a solo job so should be able do things solo that others can't

Im not saying give BST zerk, what are you talking about? Giving buffs to the pet through JAs falls in line with the purpose of BST much like WAR increases its ATT using zerk. BST has no such JAs and thus suffers at endgame.

Run Wild was complete fail as it failed to change the dynamic of the class and these underhanded nerfs further drive BST back into obscurity. How about some real buffs instead of pretending the class is overpowered (hurr Jettatura, Frigid Shuffle and Nihility are broken) as SE seems to be doing.

Giving the pet an ATT boost at the cost of my ATT is a fair trade.
Giving the pet my gear Haste in exchange for me being slowed at the same rate is a fair trade.
Giving the pet Regen in exchange for me taking damage during the same intervals is fair trade.

Naw, lets scrap all that cause BST is already overpowered. Only SE could believe such rubbish.

Your retort to "Well BST was never good at endgame" is complete bunk. SE is supposed to be improving classes to participate in endgame activities but instead what we get is that "things are too powerful" and joke pets instead of actual improvements. Rightfully, people should be annoyed with SE for basically doing nothing.

It's further fuel to the fire that they simply dont play this game.

I don't see what you're going on about that because BST can solo Tiamat that it should have no role in endgame. Tiamat is old content, who cares? BLU can tear apart trash mobs, participates in mid tier and high tier at functional levels. Why shouldn't BST? Solo is no longer a good enough niche and it hasn't been since 75.

What I want from BST are functional options to participate at endgame. What do I get from SE? Excuses that the class is going to be broken over some abilities it already freakin' has on other pets.

lol'd at dispel being overpowered

Yuly replaces the need for a thf and whm on most content. Also, while my knowledge of how TH actually works is far from empirical, 2-3 does seem to make the most difference on item other then craft materials. Obviously the more you can stack the better, but it isn't uncommon to see people favoring bst over any healer job that would be required to keep a thf alive, "Screw TH 4."

As much as I hate bst as a job I will still admit SE is being very silly here. Bst is very underwhelming when it comes to endgame and offers almost nothing, probably the reason I hate the job.

And yuly replaces thf for what content? Out of date content? And even then I would admit no, yuly is only settling for less th the same way someone might settle for a rdm healer over a whm. It can never compete with the main job but can get enough of the job done in some cases.

I think you're missing the point of why BST is attractive. Yes it can contribute in the treasure hunter category, yes it can put out similar damage compared to other jobs. But its real forte, is that jug pets just don't ever die. They have around 4500 HP, can be healed for 2k at will, and even if they do die, you can just pop a new one. This allows people to do some greater tasks without the need of a linkshell. Your Thief might take a pretty huge hit when he's silenced, terrorized, paralyzed, bound, etc etc, but pets doesn't give the slightest ***.

Phoenix.Amheh said: »

Then the BST with Jormungand solos it

Fixed

Again what are we talking here? are we talking end game where pets just fall down and you just pop one "at will"(every 5 mins). Or are we talking abyssea where if a thf is having a problem taking hits something is wrong?

Why are so many people complaining about bst in end-game. It was honestly never really an end-game job to begin with. Why? SE said bst is (and honestly, it really is) a SOLO job.... It does well on some mobs (mostly in aby these days), but that's unfortunately about it. If you want a good end-game job, just level something else, or get a farsha... That pushes bst to at least decent. Or if you're crazy dedicated, an Aymur (is that what its called...? think so... mythic axe lol)

Thought you said endgame, but in either scenario noone is bringing a BST along for treasure hunter - Thieves clearly have that covered on anything that matters. What BST can bring to the table is more of a disposable tank, and when in numbers they are extremely formidable.

Or a new "Jimie" familiar that has a single tp move called "Cry me a *** river" and one shots everything in the zone. That is what i would be happy with.

How can you say they nerfed anything when it hasn't been released yet? Test server T....E......S....T. From testing they decide on the final product then release it. No telling the crap they have done before the test server was put up.

wow didn't even see this QQpost... you do realize "MNK / WHM / BLM / RDM / PLD / BRD / RNG / SMN / BLU / PUP / SCH" also have access to TH3?

RNG has bounty shot and the trick attackish ability. So I guess *** RNG too!

I always thougth BST was a solo job. So they should have pets that have acess to things to make thier soloing better experience for them. Giving them ladybug with TH makes it so they dont have to sub thf and can do more things solo. Its not really hurting the other jobs.

Didn't stop BLU's crying NERF on Heavy Strike.

As for BST, they said they were making it more useful party wise, they failed. They should stick to it being solo and that requires good moves.

You're also you're forgetting one thing: SE said any move native to the creature and not only NM's of it would be a good assumption to be included then removed the two used by all monsters of that family.

Kind of a bad example, as SE themselves saw that move as way too strong and nerfed it BEFORE it got off the test server, then they retested it with the big acc penalty (which is very noticable in-game, and is kind of a let down :( )

Chill.

They had said that it was meant to be heavy damage, but inaccurate. However, while nerfing the accuracy, they also nerfed the damage.

My point is simply every job will moan if they disagree with what SE is saying, even worse if they see it working then it's nerfed (As in BLU's case) Test Server or not.

As in BST's case it's the issue of gimping it for no reason, AOE Sleep isn't overpowered, nor is Nihility Song to remove just the one effect, you suffer by not being able to use a damaging TP move. Removing TP moves to "Make a pet cheaper than Dipper" is absurd as every pet bar Dipper is cheaper than Dipper and they don't suffer such a pointless gimp.

I certainly don't think it was "for no reason". A mnk bird, which will hit often, have counter, and decent survivability (or it should..I'm not on the test server) that can ALSO aoe para AND sleep? That's a bit much for 1 jug. And the Hippo is no exception. Considering SE mentioned jettatura isn't subject to resists atm (if I read that right). So a thf mob, that's pretty strong (hippos can hit hard, and have TA), that can also 100% terror? Yeah, I'd say that's enough to make it a good pet..doesn't rightfully need the dispel ability.

With a stupid recast time before you'd be able to do them, or another TP move again.

although not as needed as it use to be (sadly) thfs main role in a party is NOT TH! never has been by the orginal game design, and never should have became that, its hate control and should have remained that way. the person i play w/ all the time is main bst, i always go thf to our NM's/dyna/whatever we are doing if we need drops, dipper works but doesnt compare at all to thfs TH, bsts are very powerful but not overpowered, these abilites just mean that you can say o crap, another bst over there solo'in a mob that the LS and myself dont care about. besides even if it is overpowered everyone and their mom will just join the bandwangon like sam awhile back or w/e the current trend is

BST is a sad, sad job these days.
Pull out dipper, wear full twilight for unlimited RR, and go into dyna!

I used to respect BST, now I hate them with a passion.
If you do a search, there's more BSTs than any other job now.

bst is pretty much locked into pdt or eva axes now, any other axes are misc.. just saying

I still think bst should get a chocobo jug. Just saying.

Bst is a solo job like so many pointed out, so we solo then ppl complain. But then no one wants to accept us to a ls,pty or event then complain when we take everything. So make up ur mind, accpet us or watch us solo.