Your above post is spot on Kalilla.
BST is only in the spotlight right now because of Dynamis. When all the bandwagon BSTs drop off, and the people that rage over competing against said bandwagon BSTs in Dynamis drop off, no one will be talking about it, again. BST isn't broken one way or the other, it's just a job that has never had much viable end-game content, and whatever brainless suggestions the Official Forums folks are coming up with are not going to benefit BST in that light, but rather get us nerfed in a place that will require tons more updates to rectify, and drastically change our role in the game.
[Dev] Follow-Up On New BST Pets
[Dev] Follow-Up on New BST Pets
So because a job traditionally didn't have a place at endgame, it should always remain that way regardless of other jobs getting massive solo ability improvements that further encroach on the one niche BST has?
Nah, I actually agree with your standpoint entirely Sparthosx. I almost went back and edited that in, but decided against it.
In my opinion, no changes need to be made. Pretty sure most of the QQing BSTs are the ones that have only played inside abyssea, and get a serious wake-up call when they aren't using Ducal Guard and/or Mounted Champion. Drastic gear changes, strategy, and timing become paramount to being even a mediocre BST outside of Abyssea on difficult content.
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The people who think Bst is useless and broken are probably the ones who have a higher expectation of the job.
Do you think BST needs a huge overhaul to be involved in end-game content?
Siren.Kalilla said: »
Do you think BST needs a huge overhaul to be involved in end-game content?
Peoples mentality of bsts needs to, most think bst is "useless". We cant really zerg but any real bst can keep dmg with most meele.
I kinda miss charming mobs and throwing them at hard ***. But I already have little inventory left as it is without having to add a charm set so I'm not gonna get upset about that. I just hope the turtle is a nice tank pet.
HOnestly? no, my only real gripe is how long it takes to heal a pet using Reward when fighting a mob in say abyssea. Some of them hit like run away dump trucks and while a pet can take emnity off of you, it starts losing hp fast when the mob starts spamming it's TP move
Fenrir.Skadoosh said: »
In my opinion, no changes need to be made. Pretty sure most of the QQing BSTs are the ones that have only played inside abyssea, and get a serious wake-up call when they aren't using Ducal Guard and/or Mounted Champion. Drastic gear changes, strategy, and timing become paramount to being even a mediocre BST outside of Abyssea on difficult content.
Educate me on the ways of being useful at NMs like Pil, Aello or Akvan.
I like Bst, i can go just about anywhere alone and do just fine with a jug pet.
Siren.Kalilla said: »
Do you think BST needs a huge overhaul to be involved in end-game content?
A group of BLU are insane in numbers, I fail to see the point.
just sounds like ur jealous of blu >.>
Many people assume there is no place in any endgame type events for BST, sure they have their uses and abilities in some situations. But they should not be counted out of endgame events because of what non-bst players think they can or can't do.
More like I'm a BLU main that has always been fond of BST.
I see what both jobs bring to the table and they are comparable in certain aspects yet BLU continues to get more tools while SE wags a finger at BST with a stern "no, its broken" at every turn.
I see what both jobs bring to the table and they are comparable in certain aspects yet BLU continues to get more tools while SE wags a finger at BST with a stern "no, its broken" at every turn.
jemster40 said: »
Many people assume there is no place in any endgame type events for BST, sure they have their uses and abilities in some situations. But they should not be counted out of endgame events because of what non-bst players think they can or can't do.
Go into detail about what BST can do in Voidwatch or Walk of Echoes or any recent endgame designed for level 95, soon to be lvl99.
jemster40 said: »
Many people assume there is no place in any endgame type events for BST, sure they have their uses and abilities in some situations. But they should not be counted out of endgame events because of what non-bst players think they can or can't do.
If people keep thinking the same way it won't ever change unless something like that happens where it is obvious that BST gets a huge change and then people want to use it for their groups.
I don't think BST needs it to do it's job, I think it needs it so people will want them.
im pretty sure the mindset on end-game atm is "If your not a ukkon war then you are gimp and will only hinder our fight."
But on a serious note... a mage based pet or even a ranger pet would be nice for bst... just sayin
But on a serious note... a mage based pet or even a ranger pet would be nice for bst... just sayin
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
jemster40 said: »
Many people assume there is no place in any endgame type events for BST, sure they have their uses and abilities in some situations. But they should not be counted out of endgame events because of what non-bst players think they can or can't do.
Go into detail about what BST can do in Voidwatch or Walk of Echoes or any recent endgame designed for level 95, soon to be lvl99.
Well with SE's "Leveling is so lol now you can has multiple jobs." i dont think they are in a hurry to fix 1 jobs end-game issues. when said players can forgo going beasty and go as a useful job. hence you being blu... but like a said a ranger or mage pet would be nifty for end-game
BST takes on Walk of Echoes like a champ. It just doesn't have an endless, costless, supply of pets like SMN does.
Some how i'm getting the mentality that a BST should solo ANYTHING in places like Voidwatch. That's not what i'm sayin at all, in any endgame type event (normally consisting of a party or alliance of players, NOT just the 1 BST) a bst can do more than just call a pet to look pretty.
Not to mention that bst pets are stronger than smn pets too
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
jemster40 said: »
Many people assume there is no place in any endgame type events for BST, sure they have their uses and abilities in some situations. But they should not be counted out of endgame events because of what non-bst players think they can or can't do.
Go into detail about what BST can do in Voidwatch or Walk of Echoes or any recent endgame designed for level 95, soon to be lvl99.
Fenrir.Skadoosh said: »
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
jemster40 said: »
Many people assume there is no place in any endgame type events for BST, sure they have their uses and abilities in some situations. But they should not be counted out of endgame events because of what non-bst players think they can or can't do.
Go into detail about what BST can do in Voidwatch or Walk of Echoes or any recent endgame designed for level 95, soon to be lvl99.
Unless ur a mage or tank all u do in VW is stand around waiting to proc, so having a bst only adds 1 more way to proc.
Or hold a mob. You'd be surprised how long a BST can stall in VW, but that's really only for failgroups.
The big problem with the call beast timer really isn't that people can't swap pets for healthy ones quickly--the problem is actually with the voidwatch system demanding that beastmasters carry 20 different kinds of pets and swap between them for every proc.
this is why i despise playing bst in voidwatch. I don't have room for that junk.
this is why i despise playing bst in voidwatch. I don't have room for that junk.
I have one more thing to address. I see this every single day, and I think it might explain why BST has such a poor reputation in endgame. A BST wearing the following joins your party, say for VW.
For some reason, this BST won't be subject to any criticism. They might even be praised for having a 90 empyrean and such nice gear. However, with regard to its pet, this BST is essentially naked. None of his gear is relevant for what he is doing, and yet its the norm, maybe even better than the norm to show up wearing this garbage? You wouldn't take a naked WAR or SMN, why is it ok for BST to be naked?
For some reason, this BST won't be subject to any criticism. They might even be praised for having a 90 empyrean and such nice gear. However, with regard to its pet, this BST is essentially naked. None of his gear is relevant for what he is doing, and yet its the norm, maybe even better than the norm to show up wearing this garbage? You wouldn't take a naked WAR or SMN, why is it ok for BST to be naked?
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