[Dev] Follow-Up On New BST Pets

Anyone calling a Farsha 'amazing gear' clearly doesn't know how bad (underwhelming) Cloudsplitter is.

The reason why few have an opinion on BST is because the job has languished in obscurity for so long that even PUP - the whipping boy class - has a more general standing with common players. People see BST do terribly in endgame and pass up on any future ventures with one, pet gear isn't exactly common (mostly magians for the bulk of your stats) and no one exactly knows what to do with a BST.

It's not a particularly good DD, has nothing unique you'd want in a party, can't tank group content and has obscure procs that often require carrying 8-10 jugpets around that may/may not die in the time it takes to hit the proc.

There will be no criticism of that BST because the job is virtually as unknown to most as it was at inception... in 2002. If that doesn't sum up something's wrong with the class then well IDK what to tell ya.

I'm not sure exctally what u see wrong, overall i cant say its bad compared to 98% of bsts i see.

Because it does nothing for the BST's pet, EXCEPT for the AF3+2 legs. It's like gearing a PLD to cure when they're needed to tank.

Anwig, Mirke, Beast Bazubands, Moepapa Stone, Adaman/Armada Sollerets, Ferine Mantle, pet PDT or MDB axes depending, etc.

Yes but his comment didnt make sense, i always use my meele gear unless otherwise needed. So showing up to a pty in that gear shouldnt result in not wanting that player since u cant see his pet gear.

Beasts can solo relics and empyrians. There not endgame, get over it.

This is news to me.

I quit a few months back but this gear set seemed to be about the norm for abyssea bred BSTs. I use to find it quite sad that bandwagon BSTs didnt even know what "Charm +" was for. i Soloed 1-75 back in the day and it was lots of fun and frustrating all at once. Endgame for my BST back then was adds party at Tiamat, the lucky ones were in an all BST LS which as far as i know no longer exist. BST was never about using jugs and getting in there and wailing on xxx mob along side your pet, it was about charming, pet swapping, kiting, skill and some luck. I loved my BST and refused to toss any of my charm gear just because of abyssea, in the hopes that they would add new areas, charmable mobs and NMS that were challenging enough to bother dusting it off for. But as i see it BST has no place in current endgame and it probably never will have unless an all BST LS resurfaces, or the wyrms that are added at 99 are Timmy ish with crappy adds to take care of during the fight. Real Endgame has pretty much always been and probably will always be specific jobs for specific NMS, Ixion = RNG, Nid = SAM + BLM + MB, KB = BLM and RNG, etc etc, obviously im using 75 cap as examples but its all relevant.. i miss the days of soloing Ancient Goobbue..

Its 5.30 and im tired. in my head what im saying makes sense, if it doesnt.. have a few drinks then come back and read it again.. you will understand eventually.. maybe :P

So update is today so I was wondering if there's any new info on the new jugs yet; most importantly the job traits of the hippogryph. TH yes?

Also, I'm guessing Wormy Broth is the frog, Briny Broth is the turtle, Lucky Broth is the penguin, and Shadow Broth is the hippogryph. I don't play on the test server so I don't know how it is there.

Yeah, the Hippogryph is a THF. Fantod is cool, unless it's been gimped.

The jugs haven't been named on the test server still, though I believe the Hippogryph jug is black so probably Shadow Broth.

Hopefully hippo will get all the goodies from THF like dipper but SE is known to change things up.

If thats right the ingredients are pretty hard to get based on my server for the hippo and turtle.

It probably won't have the wind resistance.

Only the Abaia and Nopales seems to be more difficult to get. Ebisu is not required but will great advantage for fishing Abaia; so, unless the Ebisu holders decide to step off of Hakuryu fishing for a bit I will expect a decent price hike. Nopales just seems to be lesser chigoes again but only 1 instead of 2 this time and it's designated as "Common" so maybe it wont be so bad.
All of the other items seems relatively easy to get and I willing to bet that fishermen skilling up will now sell those other fishes. Mercanbaligi is a very popular skill up fish but people will usually just NPC them for instant 7k per stack.

There's no way in hell shadow broth is going to cost less than 1M per stack.

Nopales are way rarer than lesser chigoes, and just see how the price of that formerly npc fodder skyrocketed.

Dragon meat, while somewhat common now, it's a very desirable item, and I expect at least a price doubling.

The only way the price is going to stay under 500k is if the pet is terrible.

I wouldn't know about lucky broth, but I would like to bet for a price at least double than a stack of wool grease.

The only other way they are not insanely expensive is if voidwatch/WoE starts dropping the ingredients instead of logs and ores...

haha yea nice try

I think I'm gonna stick to yuly. lol Those ingredients suck. XD I should level fishing, but inventory...

Nopales... an hour and... I got 6! Yeah, don't expect pet griffons to be cheap. The logging points are lightyears apart and are only good for 1-2 hacks, 1 mostly. Holy waters are more common (got 7), bird egg relatively common (got 5), dragon fruits here and there (got 2). I think SE is trying to support RMT pos hackers.
As for the fish oriented jugs, they wont be AS bad due to the large fishermen populace and "ease" of fishing.

Not seeing where the list of ingrediants are for each jug pet, Could anyone post them or point out where they are? Would be appreciated!

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Yeah I did Nopales for some cooking skillups awhile ago. And yeah, it sucked balls. I had to triple box and beg a friend to come so I could cover all points. You have to avoid yags and some rafflesia's in some camps, so I couldn't mindlessly log, which kinda blew a little bit. I think in like 8 hours I got like ...7-9 stacks? And npc'd a lot after I was finished, stupidstupid :(

ok, so Shadowy broth is the turtle and Lucky broth is the hippogryph. That turtle better be one hell of a tank...

@ OP (Rukkirii/Camete)

call beast timer needs to be atleast halved if we are to "select" pets, the timer is too long for any kind of on the spot choices needed. smn gets to summon pets with almost no recast delay and use them for the propper situation, if bst are to adopt this play style, then we need shorter call beast timer.

So THIS is why they basically did away with Charm...

I guess they wanted us to remember the times wehn we had a basically never used luxury jug pet (Amigo Sabotender).

And yeah, nopales suck. Logging is easily the worst of the HELM activities. Harvesting points tend to be all in a relatively small area, points last several hits and sickles break rarely. Mining picks break easily, but points tend to last 2-3 hits and limited to a reasonably small area. Logging points tend to be all spread out on the areas they appear, disappear after only 1 hit (sometimes two, but rarely, dunno if field gear helps), and tend to yield low-value non-stackables.

I remember logging on Fort K-N for some item for a WotG mission or quest, and it was not fun. Got 1 nopales, but lesser chigoes at least have more sources.

Only time will tell about hippo. I don't think the universe of people capable of cathing a legendary fish is comparable to the universe of people capable of farming chigoes...

Oh, BTW, I catched that Crude Raphie (Shadow Broth) was the turtle right away (if you were born in the 80s you probably remember some song saying: "Raphael is crude, but cool").

i just spent the a good part of 5 hours logging in fort-k, i got 17 nopales.

dont foreget SE's promise "we are going to make jug pets easier to obtain" ....for some reason i feel TROLLOLOLOL'd -.-

went to fish the Abaia using ebisu and slice of carp. out of 124 casts caught 8 Abaia with 3 line breaks, all the others were junk.
Using 10 minnow lures and 2 catch, maybe just my bad luck. Doesn't look too good, pretty similar to hakuryu fishing. If other ebisu holders were to switch from hakuryu then I'd expect this thing to be pretty expensive since they won't be able to get instant gils from NPC.

Trout balls arnt to good either, about 80ish bait and got 2fish, and 2 others were line breaks. A stack of carp got 9ish, 1 line break. Had to craft inscect paste than fish up moat, than craft the moat up. So lots of effort into fishing these.

Only 89 fishing tho with Ebisu and Puffin.

I take it as a good thing, wont see all these bandwagon bst with turtle or hippo if prices and difficulty of ingredients stay the same.. Mabye itll give some distinction to the real bsts.

Turtles will be scarce unless RMT pos hackers pick it up or even regular player pos hackers because I, for sure, am not going to go logging again. Will be making the griffons though but expect to pay for it :P
I'm gonna be testing it in dynamis tonight and depending on how much better it is than yuly (or not) then price will change.

I don't see how an expensive jug will separate the bandwagon from the longterm BST's, gil isn't difficult to get