Xbox Exec: No Internet? Get An Xbox 360

I firmly believe that they have the potential.

They just need to get out of their remake cycle and put more energy into franchises that have been ignored for too long. They also need to seriously put more thinking into their gameplay. Ever since the GameCube, they have had very poor ideas that they kept using. Mario Kart is a very good example of a game sinking deeper with each version coming out.

They're going the right way with Fire Emblem and stuff like Bayonetta 2, now they just need to have this kind of system seller coming out regularly, not just yearly exceptions (if it wasn't for a possible Pokémon X/Y XL version, I'd have already bought a second 3DS already).

Which makes me seriously wonder why they aren't releasing a large scale Pokémon game for the Wii U. I mean, there is Monster Hunter but then there is Pokémon, they can easily make a game as big as this. They'd print money for a decade straight.

They have none as it should be. They made their money off of the initial sale of that copy. I don't see that they should be expecting or feel entitled to anything beyond that.

Only in cases where a singular copy is passed and used far beyond intended purpose. Which is a prevalent case in many scenarios with the used game market.

The used game market is a fact of life and part of the cost of doing business in the industry. If they aren't factoring that into their budget and planning then they deserve to get burned. A healthy secondary market is a good thing.

I don't actually have anything against the "Always Online" feature if it really is what a game needs. For example Destiny is "Always Online" and I'm just fine with that because it's the experience the game is trying to bring.

But that's a decision that should be up to the developer, my problem comes in when the console is obviously using "Always Online" to lock gamers out of their paid content because less than 1% of people happen to pirate software. XboxOne basically puts the entire gamer population of parole.

Personally, Microsoft should have either gone Always online or totally offline viable, because the 24hour check-in is very transparent. The XboxOne obviously does not rely on Cloud Computing or it would have to be always online, not just once every day to make sure you aren't a criminal.

And movies and music and books. While yes I get that they all have more options for profit than games do (which is actually kind of irrelevant), I would imagine CDs, DVDs, video tapes, and books get traded around and resold more often than games do. Yet the producers only profited from the initial sale. Why are they owed anything beyond that point for that copy? Their ownership of it ended at the retail sale. The contract was complete when the receipt was printed. The ownership of that copy is now in the hands of the buyer.

Yeah the producers still own the copyright to the material and can do with that what they will, but as long as the buyer isn't producing and/or selling more copies or marketing the material as his own then he isn't violating the rights of the producer by reselling or lending that copy. It's his. They may not like that he can do that, but that's tough. Their dislike doesn't create any entitlement on their part.

Games get traded around significantly more. We're not talking about handing your game to a friend and saying go to town, we're talking about a $400 million dollar per-year business hinged almost entirely on used game sales. It's not lending that's the issue, it's the insane cash-cow that used games have been turned into, which does nothing to benefit gaming. Lending just so happens to be the collateral damage.

Sure it benefits gaming. It keeps the specialty shops in business. If you want your sole brick and mortar game distributors to be places like WalMart, Toys R Us, and Best Buy then I guess that's cool.

Ok never had red ring?

I care more about gaming than I do about GameStop. And I don't see how lining GameStop's pockets helps the gaming industry at all, actually. Digital distribution is really the way it ought to go, in my opinion, anyway.

Tell me where the *** I can go to pick up new copies of Magi Nation in 2013.

The used game market helps to preserve old games and keep them available to consumers long after the publisher has stopped making the product.

didn't hurt MS's bottom line.

helped really, now you gotta go buy another 360 because all your games are xbox

If the demand is there, it will exist.

I think that on this specific topic, US is far behind.

The used game market is all about internet. Just watch Japan and even EU, if I didn't read these forums I wouldn't even know that people still go to real shops to buy used games which is mind blowing to me considering the 1) lack of choice, 2) high prices.

Yahoo auctions (Japan), US Ebay/Amazon, Amazon UK and Amazon FR helped me get my hands on some gems that you aren't gonna find in any of your shops. And for a very, very, very low price.

We don't burn books just because they aren't best sellers anymore.

Preserving games is just as important as preserving literature and I don't see anyone doing anything to accomplish that other than GOG and the secondary market.

Satellite internet blows royally. Horrible latency because of the way it sends packets... not to mention to 200-300ish MB daily limit on downloads(or either just a flat 12,000 - 15,000 MB a month), and for freakin' $80-$100 a month. I had it for awhile and I can honestly say I would rather have dial-up. Seriously.

Sure it does. It's just indirectly. More money saved from used games can be put back into the market. Also, lower price point can get people who otherwise would not play games more involved in gaming.

The money doesn't go right back to big publishers, but it can benefit the industry. I'd also like to think that GS does contribute to the industry as well and used gaming certainly benefits them.

The point being it doesn't help gaming in a monetary sense. There's no circulation between the consumer and the developers with used games, just circulation between consumers and retail markets.
Sure, it's nice being able to find old out of print copies of long lost or forgotten games, but that won't benefit the creators in any way shape or form. Not that there's an obligation therein, as the transaction has long since completed, but the point being is used games is a very closed loop in beneficiaries.

Although I agree Drjones, I think that you are favoring the demon you know over the demon you don't. And I don't think that the repackaging carbon-copy of old games for new systems is a satisfactory measure, either. That said, there are other options. Just a question of how good natured it would be.

Gamestop isn't the only gaming specialty store in the world that relies on used game sales. Like I said before though, as much used product as they sell they move a lot of new product too. Just like a car dealer does for Ford or Chevy. Me buying a used car does nothing for the car makers in Detroit, but it helps keep that dealership in business which gives the manufacturer another place to sell their new products and services. Make no mistake that a severe hit taken by Gamestop and other specialty stores would be felt by the game industry.

Many purchases are made with the knowledge that there is a possibility for resale.
The Auto industry would be silly to think that elimination of the used car market would benefit them. The result wouldn't be more car sales. On the contrary. Consumers without the ability to resell or trade in their vehicles would most likely cause most to hold onto their cars longer, influence the kinds of cars that are popular and within a couple of years cause huge losses for the automakers as their volume of sales decrease.

The resell and trade in commerce compliment the auto industry and support it. Without it, each car maker would be making different kinds of cars and reducing their model range.

If developers and publishers can't turn a profit because the secondary market exists then they weren't viable in the first place and were doomed to fold anyway. The secondary market is good for everyone in the long run.

While its a decent comparison, its still a false equivalency. We're talking about entertainment devices, not objects that function as a necessity for the infrastructure of western society.

Hardware failures are the price of the 21st century. I can't really understand what your point is.

So if I make a single copy of a game I can profit from that single copy each and every time it's re-sold from now until the end of time, but if I make a single car I can profit from only the first sale because people need cars?

More layers of complexity means more points of potential failure. I'm so sick of the Red Ring debate like it wasn't a totally expected event. In Microsofts defense, they sucked it up and replaced consoles that were well out of their warranty.

Many gamers don't have a computer.
Here is the conversation

Big Brother - I am spying on everyone that has a computer, smartphone, really any online connectable device. Constitution isn't ***to us, we rule the whole world so... Damn, many gamers don't have computers or smartphones....

Microsoft - ooh, ooh, let me help! I'll spy on them for you! Thanks for not trust busting us, this is your repayment.

This is why 'always on' sucks. I live in the middle of Silicon Valley. Just a few blocks away from the eBay headquarters and Google and about a 2 miles from the headquarters of Apple. I CANNOT GET DSL. I must suck at the teat of Comcast or dialup. There are no CO's close enough. It sucks ***. My parents live about 30 miles away on some rolling hills, and they have satellite. My mom, who surfs and shops online, and reads news, etc. goes batshit insane at the slow speed because she's used to DSL speed from her old house. Friends who live about 50 miles away east (in the Valley, yo) but in commuter distance have totally laggy, spotty connections. EVERY weekend when we play FFXI, we laugh about "uh, here's he goes disco again". So yeah, people even in areas that SHOULD have good connection may not.

Plus, what happens if you want to go to a friend's house and game? Or you're dragged to relatives and want to bring along your rig? Going to the hotel? Oh wellsies.

Here's a good reminder - do you still play Halo 2? Well, MS brought the multiplayer servers down. What happens when inevitably, they bring down the servers for the XBoxOne and its games? They aren't gonna be up forever ya know - that costs money. So... really expensive paperweight?

They already answered this question.

Remember kids, Microsoft says If you're Backwards compatible, you're really just backwards!

See Also: Deal With It.

Obviously then, Nintendo, who did nothing but faceroll last generation, is backwards. Then again, backwards is a relative term.