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Xbox Exec: No Internet? Get an Xbox 360
Quiznor said: » The basic principle of how LCD's work is the reason behind your black comment.Not an insult,just in case you didnt know how they work. Alot of people dont Yeah, I know, LCD's can never display True Black. When I got this thing Plasma was the only other display alternative that showed true black, and that was nearly a 10x price increase. OLED and LED can do true black right? Odin.Zicdeh said: » Quiznor said: » The basic principle of how LCD's work is the reason behind your black comment.Not an insult,just in case you didnt know how they work. Alot of people dont Yeah, I know, LCD's can never display True Black. When I got this thing Plasma was the only other display alternative that showed true black, and that was nearly a 10x price increase. OLED and LED can do true black right? OLED can,LED iirc (its late,dont hold me 100%) can do close,but not true. Your monitor is hitting the 30k hours end of life so obviously its older tech. Go LED for your next,or high end LCD. Shiva.Gib said: » No offense, if you don't have internet you might want to get on your time machine back to the 90's, it's leaving soon. Tell that to the utility companies that refuse to cater to certain areas of the country/world. Yeah, it's real old, I got it a year after the Xbox360 launched, and I use it as both my PC monitor and Game TV so it's got a huge amount of wear.
Fenrir.Camiie said: » Shiva.Gib said: » No offense, if you don't have internet you might want to get on your time machine back to the 90's, it's leaving soon. Tell that to the utility companies that refuse to cater to certain areas of the country/world. also you think if you lived in a part of the world that didn't have telecommunications, I hope you wouldn't be spending several hundred dollars on new consoles. You'd probably have things on your shopping list before video games. Quiznor said: » Odin.Zicdeh said: » Quiznor said: » The basic principle of how LCD's work is the reason behind your black comment.Not an insult,just in case you didnt know how they work. Alot of people dont Yeah, I know, LCD's can never display True Black. When I got this thing Plasma was the only other display alternative that showed true black, and that was nearly a 10x price increase. OLED and LED can do true black right? OLED can,LED iirc (its late,dont hold me 100%) can do close,but not true. Your monitor is hitting the 30k hours end of life so obviously its older tech. Go LED for your next,or high end LCD. Shiva.Gib said: » if it's just a handshake with MS, I'm sure you could even use 56k if you juryrigged a wireless connection via it, which would help with rural American areas, and also satellite high speed reaches anywhere in the world. How about they just turn off the need for the handshake and then it doesn't matter.
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For the people that say suck it up and get internet stop it. If your in armed services at all it means you more than likely can't play if console has to be online at somepoint. Tons of different things I can think of where someone wont have internet. Means you cant take it to a hotel on shitty internet without paying insane amount of extra money to get better speed if it has to download anything.
I've liked both consoles since they first came out but Microsoft is being cocky as hell by telling gamers to go piss off. Rather just give sony my money at this point.
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Shiva.Gib said: » Fenrir.Camiie said: » Shiva.Gib said: » No offense, if you don't have internet you might want to get on your time machine back to the 90's, it's leaving soon. Tell that to the utility companies that refuse to cater to certain areas of the country/world. also you think if you lived in a part of the world that didn't have telecommunications, I hope you wouldn't be spending several hundred dollars on new consoles. You'd probably have things on your shopping list before video games.
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I can't help but wonder if I represent the minority or the majority in knowing I will not buy a console for one game.
I can sit very comfortably knowing I might die without playing "xyz 9."
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Probably the Majority actually. There are a few single games I would buy an entire platform for, but those games mostly start with Elder and end with Scrolls.
Drjones said: » Shiva.Gib said: » if it's just a handshake with MS, I'm sure you could even use 56k if you juryrigged a wireless connection via it, which would help with rural American areas, and also satellite high speed reaches anywhere in the world. also you think if you lived in a part of the world that didn't have telecommunications, I hope you wouldn't be spending several hundred dollars on new consoles. You'd probably have things on your shopping list before video games. I've learned in the past week to just ignore everything Gib says. Either a troll trying too hard or as you say, a complete idiot. On topic, I dislike Microsofts customer support and their tactics as of late, both in the video game market and computer market. Because of this, my commitment to the military which puts me in long periods of time without internet, and the sheer attempt at removing player ownership of the games they pay for i will not be buying a Xbox one. I will wait a little longer before i fully commit to PS4 as well. If they start slowly edging towards constant connection as well then i will not be going to them either. The idea of being online just to play single player games is just wrong. As for the used game market, many have pointed out some fine points. Used games being traded in has helped me buy new games constantly. Also, i have borrowed some old Xbox 360 games from friends, liked it, and ended up buying a new copy for myself after giving the game back to my friend. With the new way Microsoft is doing things, that will be impossible to do. One good thing at least, with everything going on in the gaming community lately, looks like i will be spending more time outside fishing and doing other things than ever before! I'm glad I have internet but the fact is it isn't needed (and shouldn't be required) in order to have a great gaming experience. Some of the highest rated, highest quality games are offline singleplayer games. The Elder Scrolls, Fallout, GTA, Red Dead, Bioshock, Uncharted, God of War, Last of Us, Dark Souls, Borderlands, any Nintendo game, none of these games require an internet connection, and nothing is lost from not having one. So you can't buy DLC, big deal. The last DLC I bought for a single player game was for Fallout 3, and I regretted it. Haven't looked back and I'm doing fine. So Microsoft's new policy is nonsense.
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Drjones said: » Shiva.Gib said: » Fenrir.Camiie said: » Shiva.Gib said: » No offense, if you don't have internet you might want to get on your time machine back to the 90's, it's leaving soon. Tell that to the utility companies that refuse to cater to certain areas of the country/world. also you think if you lived in a part of the world that didn't have telecommunications, I hope you wouldn't be spending several hundred dollars on new consoles. You'd probably have things on your shopping list before video games. cause that is a realistic solution to a problem, being a douche on the internet isn't. Siren.Mosin said: » It comes down to exclusive games if you ask me. I never would have owned an xbox if it wasn't for halo. I never would have owned an xbox360 if it wasn't for minecraft I never will own an xbox720/one if it isn't for xyz game. that's how I see it as a guy who holds no real loyalties outside of "ride it til' the wheels fall off" This is what scares me. What if the Game manufactures love the approach that MS took so they have a higher profit margin since you cannot buy used games and they signed exclusive developing rights to MS.This is what scares me. It won't matter to me if the PS4 is cheaper and a more consumer friendly system if they cannot provide good games. Fumiku said: » Siren.Mosin said: » It comes down to exclusive games if you ask me. I never would have owned an xbox if it wasn't for halo. I never would have owned an xbox360 if it wasn't for minecraft I never will own an xbox720/one if it isn't for xyz game. that's how I see it as a guy who holds no real loyalties outside of "ride it til' the wheels fall off" This is what scares me. What if the Game manufacture love the approach that MS took so they have a higher profit margin since you cannot buy used games. This is what scares me. I wouldn't worry too much. As long as physical copies hold their ground in sales, distributors and consumers hold true power in what sells and what doesn't. Such measures taken would only shoot themselves in the foot, publishers and manufacturers alike. Artemicion said: » Fumiku said: » Siren.Mosin said: » It comes down to exclusive games if you ask me. I never would have owned an xbox if it wasn't for halo. I never would have owned an xbox360 if it wasn't for minecraft I never will own an xbox720/one if it isn't for xyz game. that's how I see it as a guy who holds no real loyalties outside of "ride it til' the wheels fall off" This is what scares me. What if the Game manufacture love the approach that MS took so they have a higher profit margin since you cannot buy used games. This is what scares me. I wouldn't worry too much. As long as physical copies hold their ground in sales, distributors and consumers hold true power in what sells and what doesn't. Such measures taken would only shoot themselves in the foot, publishers and manufacturers alike. I hope so. If I know it's going to be a good game. I will buy it new. However if it is a suspect game. Like Naruto Ninja Storm 2.... I always buy used! Despite what I've posted earlier, I'm actually a supporter of the used game market. Circulation is important, and it helps yield to a wider range of users that otherwise wouldn't know or wouldn't be able to play these games. Especially with the industry being oversaturated with underdeveloped garbage, it is insulting to expect anybody to pay full retail price for a broken game, let alone one that asks for more money to be completed via DLC (looking at you Capcom).
It's just a difficult power struggle between not alienating the consumer's liberties, and simultaneously finding a mutual compromise of profit between retailers and publishers. And so far, nearly every measure taken has in some way shape or form given the players the short end of the stick. Artemicion said: » Despite what I've posted earlier, I'm actually a supporter of the used game market. Circulation is important, and it helps yield to a wider range of users that otherwise wouldn't know or wouldn't be able to play these games. Especially with the industry being oversaturated with underdeveloped garbage, it is insulting to expect anybody to pay full retail price for a broken game, let alone one that asks for more money to be completed via DLC (looking at you Capcom). It's just a difficult power struggle between not alienating the consumer's liberties, and simultaneously finding a mutual compromise of profit between retailers and publishers. And so far, nearly every measure taken has in some way shape or form given the players the short end of the stick. Totally agree with you. I Love seeing a movie or anime made into a game. I always Think OMG THIS SHOULD BE AWESOME! Then my jaw drops and I ask HOW WAS IT POSSIBLE TO SCREW THIS UP!? Then I think I just paid 60 bucks for crap. Once I was burned 2 or 3x. I said used is the way to go on this. To me if you make a good game people will buy and you will profit it is that simple. Most people buy used for 3 reasons. One is that the game is suspect and people want to like it but not sure that they will. The second is that a lot of people have caught on to developers trying to push a brand vs. a quality product. Lastly, the 3rd is that people want to play, but just cannot afford to pay full price. Even then the price on a good game has not changed dramatically and I think that a good majority will still pay the extra 5 dollars just to have a new game. I know I do. Developers wouldn't have to compromise if they weren't using massively bloated development budgets.
Around 120 People created Skryim (Including non-developmental staff like company Cook who is credited anyway) Didn't RE6 use something like 600 people? And look how that crap turned out. Assassins' Creed game teams are estimated to be in the low Thousands according to Cliff Bliszinsky. Back on the other end of the Scale, Dark Souls had maybe 40 or 50? Sold 2million copies and considered itself a "Huge Success" financially? And don't even get me started on the indie scene. Some of the best games right now are being made by 1-5 man teams. Its all about understanding exactly what your game needs, how much of it, and how fast. When you want to turn out a AAA game every year, and throw nearly a thousand people doing render-work like it's a textile mill, you're gonna have a bad time.
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Odin.Zicdeh said: » Developers wouldn't have to compromise if they weren't using massively bloated development budgets. Around 120 People created Skryim (Including non-developmental staff like company Cook who is credited anyway) Didn't RE6 use something like 600 people? And look how that crap turned out. Assassins' Creed game teams are estimated to be in the low Thousands according to Cliff Bliszinsky. Back on the other end of the Scale, Dark Souls had maybe 40 or 50? Sold 2million copies and considered itself a "Huge Success" financially? And don't even get me started on the indie scene. Some of the best games right now are being made by 1-5 man teams. Its all about understanding exactly what your game needs, how much of it, and how fast. When you want to turn out a AAA game every year, and throw nearly a thousand people doing render-work like it's a textile mill, you're gonna have a bad time.  Here's the most straight answer out of Microsoft so far, assuming you believe the sources which you can trace yourself from where I'm getting it.
The Escapist Source If you don't feel like reading it there, here it is: I'm curious if there's anyone here who can really answer my only question about this, what exactly is the kind of processes that "The Cloud" can handle on a game, IE: What doesn't need to be calculated by frame and/or within a 100ms delay? "By Frame" pretty much eliminates anything visual, which is probably the hugest resources draw anyway. 100m/s (1/10 of a second which is actually fairly long) likely kills any high-AI processes. Shiva.Gib said: » Drjones said: » Shiva.Gib said: » Fenrir.Camiie said: » Shiva.Gib said: » No offense, if you don't have internet you might want to get on your time machine back to the 90's, it's leaving soon. Tell that to the utility companies that refuse to cater to certain areas of the country/world. also you think if you lived in a part of the world that didn't have telecommunications, I hope you wouldn't be spending several hundred dollars on new consoles. You'd probably have things on your shopping list before video games. cause that is a realistic solution to a problem, being a douche on the internet isn't. There really is no defending needing an internet connection to play single player games. Odin.Zicdeh said: » Here's the most straight answer out of Microsoft so far, assuming you believe the sources which you can trace yourself from where I'm getting it. The Escapist Source If you don't feel like reading it there, here it is: I'm curious if there's anyone here who can really answer my only question about this, what exactly is the kind of processes that "The Cloud" can handle on a game, IE: What doesn't need to be calculated by frame and/or within a 100ms delay? "By Frame" pretty much eliminates anything visual, which is probably the hugest resources draw anyway. 100m/s (1/10 of a second which is actually fairly long) likely kills any high-AI processes. I posted this in another forum I frequent regarding that engineer's rant above: http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1767046 As for the "cloud compute", I'd assume it's working along the lines as AMD's RapidFire tech or Nvidia's GRID cloud computing tech. The idea behind this is pretty simple: Offload CPU/GPU-heavy mathematical or graphical computations off the local hardware and do it remotely. This frees up GPU/CPU cycles to do other things. Once it's processed remotely, it's sent back to the computer/game console to be combined with other data and displayed on your screen. Now, the catch though like with any streaming service (video, music, compute data, game streaming like Onlive and PS4's upcoming Gaikai-based game streaming service), is that it requires a stable high speed broadband connection. If you don't have this, expect delays in your game as it tries to wait for the data to be processed and sent back to the game console. If more games start using this technology, you better have a very good high speed broadband connection. It also makes your game console and the game itself very dependent on the remote GPU compute capabilities, thus making you tied to an internet connection seemingly permanently. So, is it a good idea to have it on a console or not? To me, no. To give you an idea that cloud services isn't perfect, it was demonstrated very well during the E3 2013 demonstration of Battlefield 4 and how they were having connection issues with their cloud servers. I've seen a lot of complaints about the whole OnLive thing, and that made me think we're still a long way from the Synergistic cloud gaming that XB1 is trying to deliver (4x power on the same box or whatever). I doubt the XB1 will even be able to use this "Advantage" to make up the initial hardware gap between the PS4 and the XB1 but again, I'm not well versed in these things.
The cloud computing + Controller were the only things in my mind that XB1 had over the PS4, and it looks like the former is a boondoggle at best. What?
Valefor.Fmaxgluttony said: » Meh this whole console war is beyond stupid. Get what you like and enjoy it I say. I personally am getting both since I don't mind either option for gaming. But...how do you enjoy an xbox one...? If MS was really trying to ditch disc-based games in favor of "it'd make games cheaper by lower distribution cost blah blah blah", they wouldn't be charging the exact same price (or in a lot of cases MORE) as disc-based for direct-download versions. MS and Sony have both been missing this key point while still trying to push for digital distribution expansion this generation.
EDIT: @ Mesic, obviously you watch TV with it. Fenrir.Mesic said: » What?. But...how do you enjoy an xbox one...? Gamerscore probably. Two of my friends already said they don't care about anything else, as long as 'da gamerscore' carries over, they'll get an XB1. Odin.Zicdeh said: » I've seen a lot of complaints about the whole OnLive thing, and that made me think we're still a long way from the Synergistic cloud gaming that XB1 is trying to deliver (4x power on the same box or whatever). I doubt the XB1 will even be able to use this "Advantage" to make up the initial hardware gap between the PS4 and the XB1 but again, I'm not well versed in these things. The cloud computing + Controller were the only things in my mind that XB1 had over the PS4, and it looks like the former is a boondoggle at best. Maybe a few cities are, but the entire country isn't. Our broadband connection and its service pales in comparison to what Europe and Japan have. It's slower than Europe and Japan, it's more expensive here, and its services vary from great to crappy depending on how far away you live from the central switching station or if you are living in a small town of 2000 people in the Midwest. This country is a long way from being tied completely to the cloud and media streaming services of any kind. It's going to take a greater effort from our own government to provide broadband connections and force affordable high speed service once they stop sucking the *** of corporate lobbyists and lawyers from the major ISPs such as AT&T and Verizon, Charter, Time Warner and COX (figuratively and literally). Japan and Europe are much better prepared than we are for cloud media services, gaming, and remote computing services. Odin.Zicdeh said: » Fenrir.Mesic said: » What?. But...how do you enjoy an xbox one...? Gamerscore probably. Two of my friends already said they don't care about anything else, as long as 'da gamerscore' carries over, they'll get an XB1. I like how the gamerscore, avatar, achievements, all carry over, the games you bought on xbox live arcade though? Nope. |
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