Xbox Exec: No Internet? Get An Xbox 360

Entertainment-related Tech infrastructure seems more like the domain of the ISPs than the Federal Government. Of course that would neglect 99% of the Country since there's no profit it stringing Fiber Optic line in Bubmblefuck Iowa, but still...

Another example of all this always online is Diablo 3.

Diablo 3 is required to be connected at all times. The monster actions and alot of the stuff is done server side. As such, when i am playing SINGLE PLAYER, i get alot of rubber banding, times where monsters would just stand there then suddenly i'm dead, lag, and various other things. The biggest thing is that Blizzard can make DRASTIC changes to the game and you can't do ***about it. Anyone here who played D3 for any amount of time remembers when they nerfed the hell out of attack speed. Overnight peoples builds, people who never played multiplayer, lost thousands of DPS and survivability. What is to stop developers from doing this to other games that they feel need to be made? instead of it being optional (Accept this download or you cant play online) it will be manditory.

Playstation 4 gamers are about in the same boat.

The problem with XBL games is that they were programmed on a system using the PowerPC architecture. The same with any game bought from the PSN store on the PS3. Remember, the CELL is PPC based, same with the three cores of the Xbox CPU.

Now that the PS4 and Xbox One are using an x86 architecture, in order for the games to transfer over, you need the original developers to recompile/reprogram the code to run on the newer hardware. It shouldn't be too much of a hassle for them, and I don't know if any of the XBL/PSN game developers have begun work on redoing their games to run on the x86-based hardware.

Its not even a matter of really having internet or not for me. It's having to keep my gd console in the same gd place. I can't take it to a friends lest I wanna hook it up with their router etc, and even then are there restrictions with taking it anywhere? You have to disconnect it.

On a sidenote i hate how in this post you talk about Cloud gaming as if its something we should all be desiring at some point, maybe in some future more developed country. But *** that. I wanna own my game on my system to play anywhere and wherever, and not wait for loading or connectivity + connectivity speed, power outtages etc... and at my friends. Just because something is more technologically advanced that doesn't make better. Technology can *** up things just as much as it can help them. I can think of plenty of things that can go wrong being dependent upon a cloud, what can go wrong with a disc that isn't your own fault? Nothing

I'd imagine within 30 years, financial meltdown (Again) notwithstanding, High-speed internet would be as readily available as electricity.

Then again, the U.S. isn't even willing to invest in our roads to any significant degree...

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(As a side note, most E3 demos are run on High-End PC's, so it's not really that big of a lie for Microsoft.)

I'm not too big into cloud-anything either as, to me, it's another excuse of separating the "haves" and "have nots".

"Don't have a stable high speed broadband connection?"
"Then, you're 'behind the curve' and living in the stone age."

It isn't reliable, isn't stable, and isn't 100% secure to the point you can trust a third party with your own data and trusting them to provide stable content and services that's both affordable, easily available and easily accessible to a large number of people.

We are not there... yet. We're probably a decade or so behind the level where we can reliable rely on services provided over an internet connection, and have that internet connection available to 90% of the population instead of just those that can "afford it".

However, companies such as Microsoft are pushing it more and more each day. It's like when trying to push 3D movies or the "next big thing" when more than half the country are not ready for it and/or do not want it or can access it. It's already rumored that Microsoft may move Windows to the cloud and charge a subscription service for their OS, or in other words, a paid subscription version of the ChromiumOS from Google. It probably won't happen with Windows 9, but I would not be surprised it appears within the next ten years.

For the Xbox One to push cloud-based services, it is literally separating the "haves" and "have nots", and limiting the console to those that have a need for those services that XBL provides, and have the stable high speed connection to use those services, and are willing to pay for a middle-man paywall called Xbox Live.

The Xbox One is nothing more than a media-centric device for the living room that is a gateway to other services even gaming. It is NOT a gaming console first, but a gaming console last with an emphasis on media services for the living room.

Sony denied using PCs. They only used PS4 Dev kit hardware.

And those games you shouldnt be playing on a console at all........

Another issue with cloud gaming and consoles that require always-on connections is that there must be a server for it to connect to or it simply doesn't work. What happens when the company that runs the server goes under? What happens when they simply decide not to support that game or system anymore? Your game or system is now useless. When you get a wave of nostalgia somewhere down the line you are summarily screwed. You will never play that game again unless you buy a re-release for the next big system.

Say goodbye to game collecting! Been nice knowing ya! For the producers this is more than likely just as planned.

This is kind of like this guy who has 3000+ games on Steam or the guys who buy every single game the Xbox/PS3 has to offer in order to build the most points.

It's their fun.

They're the nowadays guys of those who spent lots of money on flippers/arcade 20/30years ago. Except that the guys 20/30years ago probably got laid a lot more thanks to it (seeing as how nowadays stepping in an arcade and chaining people on any given game is a good plan).

You really need to drop the elitism and think before commenting.

PC only has one true advantage over console with Elder Scrolls games, and that's Modding. An aspect of the game I personally hate with a burning passion. That may sound weird, but hear me out first.

I've played every Elder Scrolls-Fallout title on the PC as well as the console, I notice something with every case, on the PC I focus less on "The Game" and more on modification, for every hour I spend playing Morrowind on PC, I spend 5-6 modifying value or scripts just to see what I can do.

At the end of the day, I'm taking away from the game anyway. No user-created mod (Special Tech-centric exceptions like MGE exist) ever has the polish, strength of art or more importantly, compatibility with the original game. They tend to stand out as "Obvious" in contrast, and it sucks the player out of their suspension of disbelief, making the experience significantly less enjoyable.

There's just something cathartic about not being able to modify the experience to my whim that makes me prefer playing on consoles.

This is kind of like this guy who has 3000+ games on Steam or the guys who buy every single game the Xbox/PS3 has to offer in order to build the most points.

It's their fun.

They're the nowadays guys of those who spent lots of money on flippers/arcade 20/30years ago. Except that the guys 20/30years ago probably got laid a lot more thanks to it (seeing as how nowadays stepping in an arcade and chaining people on any given game is a good plan).[/quote]

I think it's stupid, but if it's that important to them, whatever. I never got tied up in the whole "Gamerscore" thing. I like it, and I'm proud of the games on my card because I like to think of them as a reflection of my tastes, but I look at them as more of a nostalgic revisiting than a "Lol my penis is "'DIS BIG!" like some people do.

And by some miracle I have a 5star Rep. I guess people are just too lazy to report me often enough.

On a side note, because I want the Microsoft shitstorm to continue, further boosting sales (Which means moar potential Destiny Players in 2014 Hurrah!):



If you ever get your account banned, all your purchased XB1 games go with it.

For those wondering, "APP_HOME" is a mount point for the virtual filesystem of a game being tested on a PS3 (or newer) development station.

All SONY dev hardware starting from the PSP have been using that basic structure of OS for operation. SONY uses POSIX (UNIX-LIKE) specification on their OSes and so their formats are related to linux or the standard development for their platform is linux or BSD.

Therefore it would be nonsense or waste of resources use a windows PC to show off game betas.

On the XBOX ONE case it does make a lot of sense show the games on a high end Windows PC as the XBONE is just a AMD based Windows PC with a lot of extra security added.

I think the real problem people had with that, at least more tech-savvy people is that the PC's were Running NVIDIA-INTEL hardware on Windows7

So not only were they running on High-end PC's trying to pass for XboxOne hardware, they weren't even running on comparable hardware/OS since the XboxOne will be on AMD architecture and Windows8.

I just found this out today. What a flaming bag full of ***this console's going to be. Regardless of how anyone in their right mind would get themselves banned, this is corporate theft.

I need to start using sarcasm tags more....

I'll address this piece by piece.

First off,my comment was half sarcasm half serious. Second,modding had not crossed my mind when I made the comment whatsoever,so isnt part of my reasoning.

Did you also just say that the pc has a better control method (for most games,and again,just because YOU may not like it),better graphics and better performance than console? Not to mention other options like multi monitor (yes,this is a factor because more and more games are now releasing with textures on the disc pre-made at multi monitor resolutions,or becoming available in later updates or downloadable packs)

Because those are also true advantages,no matter how important or not they are to you specifically. 99% of the time graphics dont make or break a game (except for you,The Last Story!)but they certainly do enhance it significantly. My next point fits into this too. Just because YOU have/had a bad experience modding,via your own idiosyncrasies or something else,does not also make it a BAD thing,it is also a clear advantage even if you choose not to use it.

There is a difference between being a pure pc elitest and being just plain ignorant. I'm not a "PC ONRY!!!" kind of guy. (Sure,I'll buy games on pc if the option is available) but I'm not going to condemn a console user for it. In fact quite the opposite. If a person doesnt have the money,the know-how,the time/patience or even the want to get a gaming pc and just wants to sit down and "easily" play a game just like that,they can go for it. They get what they want,the game/gameplay. But what gets me is the sheer ignorance. All the people that say there is no difference or a console is "better" at it. It may be "better" (re:easier) to get them what they want,but that again is pure ignorance in this context.

tl;dr pc is the superior platform,whether you "use" or "like" the benefits or not.

You agree to it when you click "agree" (without reading of course lol) the terms of usage. Dont like it?



PS4

Why would anyone defend Xbox on this?

I wasnt defending the xbox. Just stating the fact that 99.999999999% of people will agree to the terms that are laid out in front of them without reading~

edited the other post to (what i think anyways) reflect that

edit 2: people will still buy it,get banned,and *** at it even though they didnt read but agreed to it.

The objective superiority has nothing to do with what you originally said though. You said "I should" be playing them on the PC, which would be a subjective assessment of what value you place on certain features and how important they are. You imposing your subjective values on my perspective is Elitism.

PC is undeniably the best platform, but for me, I don't have enough discipline to not open up the Creation Kit and *** around for 10 hours, therefore I shouldn't play on that platform if I want to actually enjoy the game.

There's also a whole load of other challenges and pitfalls of the PC that further complicate the platform. Things like compatibility and drivers spring to mind. I'm enough of a veteran that I've only had one situation that I couldn't solve (FFXIV), but for other people who really just want gaming, such a hurdle is often insurmountable.

lmao

yeah, people need tl;drs these days for this stuff but still, I find the ban policy extreme, at least until there's verification whether or not it locks out your retail copies that you had to install first

Bolded the part why I said I shoulda used sarcasm tags

It takes a lot for a person to get their account banned from Microsoft, you have to be doing something seriously wrong. Getting a gamertag banned from an online game by the developers is one thing, but to get a Microsoft ban, thats another thing all together. So I would have no sympathy for those people, who make up .01% of the consumer base.

I'd say you should just pick your words more carefully, but I've almost use my hypocrite credits for the day and it's still pretty early.

The whole point of DIRECTX architecture is make the hardware configuration/manufacturer irrelevant.

You have a good point if you're talking about PR implications of this but on the technical stand, what is running the games is irrelevant as Microsoft designed the (software) platform to be that flexible.

Also that's the reason why PS4 games were running on the real hardware (as SONY isn't developing a "true OS + API" they're instead using a BSD kernel as OS and making some minimalist basic platform instead) so they can't have the same luxury XBOX camp developers have of just tossing their source code on the lattest Microsoft IDE suite and compile it for either XBONE or DIRECTX Windows.

Edit: Part of Microsoft's arrogance comes exactly from the fact that someone who develops for Windows can easily reach the XBONE market with minimal effort. They counting with that to "evangelize" (Microsoft internal lingo mind you) developers for their camp.

I'm not sure what your point is.

But here's this anyway:

That was a VERY GEEKY way of saying that the current Microsoft strategy is privilege the DEVELOPERS instead of the consumers.

But really what you posted in that animated gif is what I see happening in the next four years if Microsoft don't give up of their stupidity bound plans. But I'd bet with you that everything is already set on stone due to a lot of already signed contracts and other bureaucratic garbage gamers could care less about.

I wouldn't doubt many of those who've signed contracts aren't already trying to back out of them/will start once sales-figures come out.

LOL There is like 5 topics and 100 pages of xbox cring so many tears so many. Dont like it dont buy it. Ive had a XBL gold account for 9yrs paying my 50-60 bucks every year big deal. There have been 2 days from moving (and the random power outtage)where my xbox hasnt had internet. I havent been to a Gamestop or any gamestore in 3 yrs, I actually enjoy buying my games off "Games on demand" so i guess xbox1 caters to people like me. You cant get good internet where u live? 5 words move and get google fiber. No need to keep beating a dead horse we get it most of you dont like it. Enjoy your ps4 btw i hear u guys finally get cross games live chat welcome to xbox 2005. I'm done flame on my friends flame on.