Xbox Exec: No Internet? Get An Xbox 360

Chaosprime, do you think people shouldn't be able to resell their cars? What about their homes? First-edition novels? Comic books? Should a painting, sculpture, or print never be resold because it hurts the artist?

The software industry is the the only one with the audacity to insist their products should never be resold.

No, car companies have tried various methods for controlling the used car market. Tangible products are just harder to control once they leave your hands. Which is why they got in on the action with certified preowned dealers.

I'm not aware of any strongarm tactics comparable to precedents set in the software industry (and the current machinations of console manufacturers), but I am rather curious as to what you allude to.

Certified preowned dealers is just good PR, you can't blame them for attempting to incentivize. Not the same as prohibiting.

I think people are latching onto the used game thing in the wrong way.

As far as I can tell, XboxOne doesn't necessarily stop used game sales, it just puts a tighter control on them. It makes things needlessly complex for someone in the chain. I'm not sure if this is the retailer or the consumer though.


But I don't care too much about that, I just care that I'm treated like a goddamn criminal.

I care that I'm tethered to an internet connection for no other reason than distribution control. Microsoft hasn't showed me why the game itself will benefit from connectivity, just how the distribution will.

I care that the goddamn Kinect is mandatory. Developers obviously can't "Assume" a game will use Kinect, because 90% of Developers will be Making the same game for PC and PS4 anyway!.

I care that the XboxOne sinks it's already trailing (Compared to PS4) resources into a terrible OS, currently it's suggested that 1.5GB of system memory (a little under 25%) will be used by the OS alone.

I care that their focus has become emulation of better, cheaper products (Smart TV) instead of the only thing XBOX did that was unique in comparison. (Games)

What's weird is the Technology of this current console cycle is so similar, but the policies and direction is more different between all three/four candidates than it has ever been.

Somehow I don't see physical copies going away anytime soon. Digital games on consoles (currently) often cost the same or more than a physical copy, and you don't lose the entire game if your system breaks (only the save).

Plus there's more than enough nerd/geeks enticed by "Limited Edition" with extra tangible goods.

It's not the same. But my point is they would if they could.

Digital copies cost the same because they can charge the same. But you can notice that in a lot of instances where the distribution platform is entirely digital (PCs), the price point is often $50 instead of $60 for the console. Part of that may have to do with saving on licensing fees though.

Good news! It's not 1.5GB.

It's 3GB.

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2013/05/21/the-tech-spec-test-xbox-one-vs-playstation-4.aspx

And now I look stupid for giving Microsoft the benefit of the doubt.

We already knew that of the 6 GB of the 8 available was going to be wasted on the 2 non game related OS.

I typed too fast and forgot to clarify. All-digigtal isn't being incentivized on consoles like on PCs because (as you stated) full-price is being charged mostly "because we can". Even though games at even 25% off physical could sway a lot of favor towards digital purchases.

Digital games Steam style is a nice thing, even if it's still more expensive than buying on internet.

Digital games on console is madness. The prices on EU stores using € are mind blowing.

Physical copies don't even have manuals most of the time anymore. Just a pamphlet advertising DLC.

And your online-pass code :(

Oh yeah, seriously.

I used to always read the manuals where characters' background was explained and all, it was fun. Now, you're lucky to get a paper and when you get it, *sigh*.

I remember when the manual was actually part of the DRM scheme developers had come up with.

Does anyone remember DreamWeb?

This, If I wanted an entertainment console, I would use my F'n laptop which I can hook up via hdmi.

I want a game console. You hear me MS and SOny I want an F'n GAME CONSOLE!

I remember games that were designed to be impossible without the $15 guide because the manual told you jacksh*t

See here's my issue if it does hurt the publisher so much they lose what like 25% of the earnings then why the hell when games like battlefield come out with their online passes is the game the same price... it's just greed.

If used games were to stop, then it's likely that retailers would either close or demand a larger proportion of retail sales and with both publishers will lose money anyway (loss of the hugh amount of free advertising or just getting a smaller cut from sales).

Point is, first hand games feed second hand games and they feed retailer which in return feed publishers by selling first hand games.

Steam is a good example as well for the none exsistance of used game because of it their is little involvement in retail which has lead to cheaper games but you also have to remember steam has to be cheap because if it isn't you'll just buy it else-where online.

If you think that would happen to Xbox1 then tell me why they would sell games for less on there store online ? because steam does it because of competition but on the xbox1 store it won't have competition so MS will choose between more profit or less profit and I wonder which will win. Infact, evidence exists of it already with digital copy of games being the same or more than retail even though you can't resell them.

Used game sales only hurts the unrealistic growth expectations publishers have.

They made fortunes artificially inflating the business and now that the free market is fighting back, they're kind of losing their ***. Developers and publishers alike need to take a step back and really analyze the AAA gaming model. Some developers are cut out to compete here, others need to be more content with realistic goals, targeted marketing and reasonable budgets.

What proof do you have that they artificially inflated the business?

Beyond that... It's an entertainment system... get over it... if this is the direction it goes and it offends as many people as you think it will then they'll have shot themselves in the foot and business will go down... I guess time will tell how it will all work out for them...

Resident Evil 6.

Microsoft deserves to take a big hit over their nonsense, and so much more. What else would you expect with a company that uses "points" as currency such that one may think spending spending 1600 points is spending $16, rather than $20. Overtly hoping your consumer base is so easily fooled shows a similar mentality to giving the same base the finger in saying that you should just "suck it up". MS won't miss my money, but it's still money that they will never have.

How is that proof?

So you wont buy a much better system because of the controller? First of all, its not even that bad. 2nd of all, you can buy a freaking tournament 360 style controller for the ps3 and im sure there will be one for the ps4, lol.

Objectively speaking, the PS-X controllers are the "best" on the market at the moment.

The only pads that are better, objectively once again, are old pads such as SNES and Megadrive/Saturn ones.

Why? Because the pads that are used (read: sold nowadays, because no companies are going to try to sell any other shape, people don't want them) are either: PS2 pads (because of the triggers being superior to PS3) or Megadrive/Saturn rip offs (see mad catz/hori).

The only good thing about the Xbox controller, and that's a pretty good one, is that the main games coming out on Xbox are tailored around it in a very, very effective way.

You can find adaptator on internet for 5/20€. They allow to play any past controller of any console that has ever existed on 360 and PS3, and also allow to play PS3 on 360 and vice versa.

Capcom poured tons of money into it, bloated it's development costs with the false expectation that more investment is required to yield a return, not only did they wind up with a shitty game, but a game that even at it's best, couldn't be a financial success.

Most AAA publishers are looking at CoD numbers as their target for sales, and investing accordingly. They publish these lies to drum up hype, announce announcements to generate unsubstantiated buzz (See: Square-Enix) and when their artificially inflated expectations aren't met, they go searching for a scapegoat. That Scapegoat is usually used games, now that concerns regarding piracy have been thoroughly explored and found totally lacking.


Then you have Studios backed by publishers who do it right. CDprojekt Red with their Witcher Series. FromSoftware(NamcoBandai) with Dark Souls. Arkane Studios with Dishonored(Bethesda Softworks) who post the same sales numbers, and often less than RE6 or Tomb Raider, but become surprisingly large financial successes, because their publishers have a better grasp of development and marketing strategies that don't inflate the business.

I would have to say 360 controllers are better than ps3 controllers.

I have 4 ps3 controllers ... 1 the mini-usb broke 2 the calibration on the sticks are so off meaning on games you need to be precise with they are useless then the 4th which is still a little off but is good enough to use.

I also have 3 360 controllers and all are still perfect.

That said I prefer my ps3 over my 360 solely because of PS plus controller has nothing to do with it.

I still have my launch 360 Controller. That thing is beat to hell, the precision of the sticks are off, but it still works!

I really like the 360 Controller though, it was one of only two (maybe three) things I still give credit to Microsoft's console.

1. Controller (Assuming they didn't *** it up, haven't had my hands on a One Controller)

2. Achievement transfer

3.? Potential of the Cloud. (A potential that will probably be unrealized during the lifetime of this console)