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"Are you a fatass? No diploma for you! "
Lakshmi.Aaroca
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By Lakshmi.Aaroca 2009-11-30 23:06:32
I don't really know why they are so gung-ho about larger people.
If they want to eat themselves into oblivion its their own fault. They don't hurt anyone.
I almost feel like all the media obesity gets is trying to cover whats really causing problems that no one can fix. I was reading a magazine that my coworker orders, a mens magazine (what a surprise). The article was called 'Why it's ok to stare at fat people.' I read it. Of course the guy writing it sounds like a complete tool, yet made me smile a little on the inside. Basically that society is becoming obsessed with obesity:
Quote: In the United States of America, home of the best-fed people on earth, it's finally come to this: We have developed an insatiable appetite not only for mammoth cupcakes but for fatness itself. Turn on the TV and it's everywhere. On NBC's pioneering The Biggest Loser, where the morbidly obese try to sweat their way into smaller jeans. On VH1's Celebrity Fit Club, with its flotilla of jump-roping chubsters. On Oxygen's Dance Your *** Off, in which the shaking of Brobdingnagian booties rivals the cataclysmic movement of tectonic plates. And, most recently and tantalizingly, on Fox's More to Love, in which a bevy of lard-assed ladies compete for the meaty paw of a sweet, man-boobed, 300-pound-plus subcontractor from California.
But I generally like to read wayyy into things.
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By Asura.Valentino 2009-12-01 01:11:21
Yes I completely agree with you when you say just because someone does not have the same results as another kid does not mean at all that they did not work as hard. From what we personally see everyday at school or every time Americans go out is not the first bit of effort of the majority of obese kids or grownups not pushing themselves further to loose weight, or to be able to function to what their body's full potential is. Wouldn't it be correct to say this program is only benefiting our country's growth for a better future which is a major goal of our school system?
Bahamut.Oblivion
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By Bahamut.Oblivion 2009-12-01 02:00:55
Asura.Valentino said: Wouldn't it be correct to say this program is only benefiting our country's growth for a better future which is a major goal of our school system?
How exactly would this be promoting the future of the country? Further needless regulation? The encouragement of an obedient population that cedes to whatever rule or law some administrative body thought up in their meetings?
The way I see it, it only encroaches on the right for people to do what the hell they want with their own bodies. More regulation is never a good substitute for educating people on their options.
The concept of "freedom" we so love in this country (yeah, I'm not really from the Vatican :O) is just a joke, every little political zombie wants to regulate, watch over the next guy.
If you want to put on 200lbs and wear xtra small t-shirts to accentuate your lovely figure, I have the right to tell you that in my opinion, you look a bit silly. But I should never have the goddamned right to tell you that because you look silly, you're not allowed to get your degree, or not allowed to go someplace, or do something.
This helps "our future" in no such way.
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By Bahamut.Branwen 2009-12-01 05:59:24
Sylph.Thegiftedmonkey said: I'm 6'4" and 250lbs, that makes my BMI 30.4 ... I'M A FATASS! =O *Edit* Honestly though, I wonder what they do with people like me, who are tall and work out. I'm clearly not obese, but according to the BMI I am. ;_; They also mention taking waist measurements to see if your core weight is obese. I know a lot of athletes that are technically obese according to their BMI. Its not an exact science.
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By Bahamut.Stanflame 2009-12-01 06:00:57
branny!
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By Bahamut.Branwen 2009-12-01 06:07:19
Stanny!
Ramuh.Dasva
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-12-01 06:14:41
Too many pages but yay for that college
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By Bahamut.Rydiya 2009-12-01 06:15:19
Yay! Branny-cakes is almost a 75SCH!
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By Cerberus.Katarzyna 2009-12-01 06:20:14
Asura.Valentino said: Wouldn't it be correct to say this program is only benefiting our country's growth for a better future which is a major goal of our school system?
People from Lincoln University may be skinnier, but they are still dumber than half the world once they graduate college.
If bolstering education is what you're getting at, mandatory BMIs isn't the answer.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-12-01 06:22:02
Bahamut.Oblivion said: Asura.Valentino said: Wouldn't it be correct to say this program is only benefiting our country's growth for a better future which is a major goal of our school system? How exactly would this be promoting the future of the country?
This helps "our future" in no such way. Technically the point of college is to grow and learn. Most your school life physical education was a part of that. Now if you clearly didn't learn that you take more to make sure you learned and apply it. Simple concept really. And making the general populace even somewhat healthier is helping our future in a lot of ways.
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By Bahamut.Branwen 2009-12-01 07:00:41
Bahamut.Rydiya said: Yay! Branny-cakes is almost a 75SCH! Yea if I can get a party :(
Copy/pasta from BG, but since its not mentioned here yet, I thought I'd port it over.
Qalbert;3277302 said: http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/11/30/lincoln.fitness.overweight/index.htmlQuote: (CNN) -- Most college students expect to receive their diplomas on the basis of grades, but at a Pennsylvania school, physical fitness matters too.
Students at Lincoln University with a body mass index of 30 or above, reflective of obesity, must take a fitness course that meets three hours per week. Those who are assigned to the class but do not complete it cannot graduate.
Calculate your body mass index
Now that the first class to have this requirement imposed is nearing graduation day -- students who entered in the fall of 2006 -- the school faces criticism from both students and outsiders about the fitness class policy.
One of those students is Tiana Lawson, 21, whose recent editorial in the student paper has drawn national attention to the issue. Lawson wrote in The Lincolnian that she would be more understanding if the requirement applied to everyone. She thinks all students, not just those with a high BMI, should have to take the class.
"I didn't come to Lincoln to be told that my weight is not in an acceptable range," Lawson wrote. "I came here to get an education which, as a three-time honor student, is something I have been doing quite well, despite the fact that I have a slightly high Body Mass Index."
Lawson, who told CNN she had been putting off getting her BMI tested until this year, recently found out she would have to take the class. At first angry, Lawson said she is now more "confused" about the requirement.
"I don't know why they would want some people to be more healthy than others," she said.
But James DeBoy, chairman of the school's Department of Health and Physical Education, says the requirement is just like courses to help students' communications or math proficiency. The faculty also has a priority to be honest with students, he said.
"We, as educators, must tell students when we believe, in our heart of hearts, when certain factors, certain behaviors, attitudes, whatever, are going to hinder that student from achieving and maximizing their life goals," he said.
Moreover, if there were unlimited resources, the fitness opportunities would be for all students, but that is not the reality, he said.
The historically black college receives public funding, but is under independent control.
Obesity increases a person's risk of heart disease, type 2 diabetes, stroke, some cancers and other ailments. African-Americans were 1.4 times as likely to be obese as non-Hispanic whites in 2007, according to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. About four out of five African-American women are overweight or obese, the agency said.
"Obesity is going to rob you of your quality and quantity of life," DeBoy said. "We believe that this is unconscionable."
The fitness course, called "Fitness for Life," consists of activities including water aerobics, Tai Bo and aerobic dance, he said.
Because BMI is not a perfect measure of obesity, students also have their waist circumference measured, he said. There are some people who have a high BMI because of their muscle mass, but are not actually obese, and the waist measurement is meant to weed out those people.
From a legal perspective, the school's requirement seems "paternalistic" and "intrusive," said David Kairys, professor of law at Temple University Law School in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
"The part that seems excessive is forcing them to take this course, or to exercise three hours a week, which isn't a bad idea for them, but should be their choice," he said.
Lincoln is "breaking new ground" with this requirement, as Kairys has not heard of one like it at other schools.
Some students, such as Brittnai Panton, a 19-year-old freshman from Decatur, Georgia, like the requirement. She tested out of having to take the class, but supports having it around.
"Being in this day and age where people are becoming overweight and need more fitness, I think it's a great idea to earn extra credit, an easy extra credit," she said.
Many of her classmates don't find it offensive, she said.
"It is like you're getting a second chance to actually do fitness in school, which certain people wouldn't do," she said. "Many of them find it an easy credit."
DeBoy said 620 students have either tested out or taken the course, with 80 remaining to get their BMI evaluated. He estimates 12 to 15 will need to take the fitness class in January.
When the faculty first approved the fitness course requirement in 2006, there were minimal concerns raised, he said. The intention is to spread the message that people in school, including high school and middle school, need more physical activity.
"This is one university's -- granted it's radical and it's upsetting -- approach to try to begin to directly address" obesity, he said. That's some seriously heavy stuff.
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