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By Garuda.Chanti 2026-04-18 09:30:42
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The official allegation is that using AI is generating "inauthentic" content, what is true, given you have a blueprint to how to get those videos e views. But I suppose having so many shady people literally farming real money out of Youtube must be hurting Googles pocket more than saying something is not authentic.
But its authentically AI. And it generates authentic money. Which AI slop is good at on other media so why doesn't Utube lie back, relax, and enjoy it?

They still get a cut after all ...
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By Garuda.Chanti 2026-04-18 09:31:42
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By Pantafernando 2026-04-18 11:10:17
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
They still get a cut after all ...

I suppose the answer is the same answer to the same question asked to SE:

If RMTs/bots still pay subscription, if RMTs/bots keeps buying news accounts, why SE still takes measures against them?

The answer? That is up to debate.

I would say both SE and Youtube must consider, despite not hurting the revenue at first sight, in a long run if left unchecked the predatory behavior of those people exploiting the system will inevitably lead to the system downfall.

Youtube in particular has an extra argument. The platform itself is a hugh datalake that can be used to train new models.

But if most content on Youtube doest have human value embued, then the models arent learning new things, thus, it does make sense Youtube to want content that is at least some bit enriched by human insights, than straight AI generated content.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2026-04-18 11:36:39
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if left unchecked the predatory behavior of those people exploiting the system will inevitably lead to the system downfall.
But I am rooting for system downfall.
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By Cerberus.Balloon 2026-04-18 12:20:52
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
Pantafernando said: »
The official allegation is that using AI is generating "inauthentic" content, what is true, given you have a blueprint to how to get those videos e views. But I suppose having so many shady people literally farming real money out of Youtube must be hurting Googles pocket more than saying something is not authentic.
But its authentically AI. And it generates authentic money. Which AI slop is good at on other media so why doesn't Utube lie back, relax, and enjoy it?

They still get a cut after all ...

The question is: If you create 100x the amount of content (absolute AI trash) and only a few of those become obscenely popular - are the costs offsetting the sudden need to host and distribute millions of new videos that generate you 0 revenue.

That was already an economics problem - hence why Youtube needed to be sold to google in the first place, but now the problem is much worse.
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By Pantafernando 2026-04-18 14:54:33
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To the AI haters delight...

Here is the last PAID image to video conversion that I asked and fluked.

What I wanted was quite simple. Just make my avatar move a little, do lipsync and that was all.

The result surprise me... negatively!

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By Garuda.Chanti 2026-04-18 19:40:03
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A good use for AI in manga.
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By Pantafernando 2026-04-18 20:02:09
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At this point, your posts would be less lazier if they were made with AI...
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By Asura.Saevel 2026-04-18 20:29:36
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Garuda.Chanti said: »

Generative AI works really well with curated datasets that you own and therefor no liability issues. Since you already draw / write / generate with that style, it will just generate what it thought you would do anyway. Instead of someone having to generate something they've generated a hundred times in the past, they can have the computer do that job for them while they supervise and work on unique / new stuff.
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By Pantafernando 2026-04-19 01:59:30
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Lately, Ive been considering the chatGPT service to be really behind compared to Google free AI chatbot.

Some specific questions I sent to chatGPT were returning as a denial, or simply hallucinations, while Google AI has been giving back answer saying something that chatGPT denied as possible,

At this point, the best use Ive been doing with OpenAI chatbot is to edit images, what Ive been relatively successful, and I do think it would be worth the price alone IF... not for this damn limit of a handful amount of images I can sent there per day.

In other words, Ive been using chatGPT solely for image editing just because Ive been really lazy to look for a more qualified image generation tool.

But unfortunelly I already lost my trust on that chatbot, and if my plan were expiring tomorrow, I would certainly not renew.

At this point, I think OpenAI is a losing horse.

I will check Claude chatbot pricing today.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2026-04-19 09:31:41
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Pantafernando said: »
At this point, your posts would be less lazier if they were made with AI...
Less lazy? True. Using AI on my posts would be way more keystrokes for me. Probably take more thought too.
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By Asura.Saevel 2026-04-19 10:26:16
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Lets all take a moment to feel for our AI dependent brethren.

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By Pantafernando 2026-04-19 11:00:49
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Well, if the tokens dont carry over, then they are doing a good job.

I myself lost like 3.5k tokens on Capcut I could have used to generated my reallu needed animations.

Day 21 I will get more extra 1750 tokens, so tomorrow I will need to use every single one available.

Prepare, tomorrow I will have many dogs animations to share!
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By Pantafernando 2026-04-19 11:02:37
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And Im already scripting a tutorial how to vibe code like a pro.

Stay tuned for more!
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By Dodik 2026-04-19 11:31:00
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Serious question for the aspiring vibe coders out there.

Why would a company pay you money just so you can write prompts into an AI to then use for work.

Why would that company not just hire someone that knows nothing about development, with no degree what so ever, half way around the world where ever the labour is cheapest, to do the same thing.

How is "vibe coding" a useful "skill" to develop for someone that is aspiring to be a developer.

What makes the vibe coder any different than a 13 year old kid playing around with prompts.
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By Asura.Saevel 2026-04-19 11:41:57
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What makes the vibe coder any different than a 13 year old kid playing around with prompts.

That's what most vibe coders are for the most part.

To understand what's going on, we have these executives with either very little or very old IT knowledge hearing things like "80% improvement in coding efficiency" and "AI will replace all tech jobs" and think to themselves "80% reduction in IT staffing costs". Then they issue a directive to the middle management to "use AI to enhance productivity" and make it a part of their performance goals, which are usually tied to bonus compensation.

Those middle management then do everything humanly possible to force "AI" into the workflow, so they can make those performance goals and get that yearly bonus. Vibe coding resulted from this, hiring low cost non-developers to mess with prompts trying to generate code, then pushing it into production and causing outages and bugs.

Just look at the sheer number of crash causing bug Windows patches have caused in the last year, since MS did it's big AI mandates.
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By Shiva.Thorny 2026-04-19 11:57:20
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What makes the vibe coder any different than a 13 year old kid playing around with prompts.

Right now, it seems to be ability to orchestrate multiple agents in a way that's notably better than browser-based AI. There's a huge gap between someone asking ChatGPT how to do something and someone using a multiple agent setup with local file access. People who can't code think that because they've learned a few basic techniques to orchestrate agents, they're AI professionals.

Give it a few years (maybe not even) and the agent setups will be abstracted away (and paywalled past what a hobbyist is likely to spend). Then, the 'skillset' they've been developing ceases to have value.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2026-04-19 12:07:39
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What makes the vibe coder any different than a 13 year old kid playing around with prompts.
Paper.

Specifically the kind of paper that says this person has official standing of some kind such as certificates and degrees.
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By Althor 2026-04-19 12:28:51
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at least half of the positions at a lot of these companies are entirely redundant or non-essential. much rather have a surplus of vibe coders over middle management, but they are quite good at keeping their own jobs and getting rid of the ones that actually help the business.
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By Dodik 2026-04-19 12:34:56
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the kind of paper that says this person has official standing of some kind such as certificates and degrees.

The person isn't doing any work. The AI is. How do human qualifications of the human using an AI matter wrt the AI producing something.

I mean if you think learning how to "vibe code" is going to give you job security.. computer science is definitely not the right field for you.
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By Pantafernando 2026-04-19 12:53:24
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at least half of the positions at a lot of these companies are entirely redundant or non-essential. much rather have a surplus of vibe coders over middle management, but they are quite good at keeping their own jobs and getting rid of the ones that actually help the business.

Funny thing couple of weeks ago, we had a large meeting where all our managers were presenting the years delivery plans.

But in reality, it was just a show of buzzwords, always using the trendy words to show they are “modern”.

My department is under the company AI major department, so AI is the hot topic here.

At their level, they just want us to use AI and see if we can get something out of it.

Knowing how to use AI is a plus.

But if I already have a license paid by the company, not hurt in trying to do my best anyway.

I just saw more a couple of videos teaching new tricks to improve vibe coding.

After the lunch nap, i will get my hands dirty
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By Pantafernando 2026-04-19 12:53:38
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By Dodik 2026-04-19 12:59:42
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multiple agent setup with local file access.

That sounds like something for an IDE to automatically do.

Like when auto-completion first started appearing in IDEs.
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By Shiva.Thorny 2026-04-19 13:09:13
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That sounds like something for an IDE to automatically do.
I hope my IDE doesn't invoke agents automatically. But, yes, it's obviously going to be streamlined into plugins (it already is for many configurations). Look at the nonsense Panta is always spewing about agent orchestration and which agents are best to combine. This is the kind of junk youtubers are talking about to convince people they're learning a skill.

It's a simple enough process that the most effective agent workflows will be automated and streamlined into one tool. Select which agent setup you want, offer your prompt, and let it go. Learning common agent configurations isn't a skill, as much as vibe coders want to think it is.
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By Asura.Saevel 2026-04-19 13:36:10
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Dodik said: »
What makes the vibe coder any different than a 13 year old kid playing around with prompts.

Right now, it seems to be ability to orchestrate multiple agents in a way that's notably better than browser-based AI. There's a huge gap between someone asking ChatGPT how to do something and someone using a multiple agent setup with local file access. People who can't code think that because they've learned a few basic techniques to orchestrate agents, they're AI professionals.

Give it a few years (maybe not even) and the agent setups will be abstracted away (and paywalled past what a hobbyist is likely to spend). Then, the 'skillset' they've been developing ceases to have value.

https://restofworld.org/2025/builderai-ai-apps-downfall/

That is kinda what builder.ai was promising...

In reality there is a huge gap between basic function blocks and making those blocks actually do something useful while being safe and stable. Experience and context aware judgement are the missing pieces.

Case study would be all the rollbacks MS has had to do lately as update after update breaks windows as they insist their developers use AI to write system code.

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/emerson-braun_microsofts-ai-code-dream-30-genius-activity-7401763194534428672-iAnc/
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By Asura.Saevel 2026-04-19 13:37:33
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I hope my IDE doesn't invoke agents automatically. But, yes, it's obviously going to be streamlined into plugins (it already is for many configurations). Look at the nonsense Panta is always spewing about agent orchestration and which agents are best to combine. This is the kind of junk youtubers are talking about to convince people they're learning a skill.

It's already happening.

https://futurism.com/artificial-intelligence/google-ai-deletes-entire-drive
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By Garuda.Chanti 2026-04-19 14:01:53
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Dodik said: »
Garuda.Chanti said: »
the kind of paper that says this person has official standing of some kind such as certificates and degrees.
The person isn't doing any work. The AI is. How do human qualifications of the human using an AI matter wrt the AI producing something.
The qualification doesn't mater one bit. It is however the difference between the vibe coder and the 13 year old.
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By Asura.Hadroncollider 2026-04-19 15:11:55
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LLMs are programms that are based on language analyzation and guessing with an added database. not intelligent at all. more like kelly bundy with access to wikipedia.
Unbound ai that is actually intelligent and learns/evolves/optimizes itself exists since 2016 as far as i know, but wont be anything a consumer will ever get their hands on. also it requires insane amounts of hardware.
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